The Physics of Perception with Adrian Bejan, PhD | Ep 14

Adrian Bejan, PhD, is an American professor of mechanical engineering at Duke University, esteemed member of the European Academy, and recipient of the Benjamin Franklin Medal, the U.S. version of the Nobel Prize. Born in Romania and a former member of the Romanian National Basketball team, Adrian is known for developing the Constructal Law, which states that any flow system—from the flight of birds to the movement of air and water—will evolve over time so that it can more easily flow. He has published more than 30 books and 650 papers and was ranked in the top 0.01 % of the most cited and impactful scientists in the world ( top 10 in the world in engineering) in the citation impact database created by John Ioannidis of Stanford University. Adrian has also received numerous awards, including the Max Jacob Prize in 1999 and the Ruikov Medal in 2006, and has been awarded 18 honorary doctorates from universities in 11 countries. On this episode of No Way Out, Adrian will be discussing how the Constructal Law applies to basketball, the concept of systems and how they are defined, the evolution of design, and the concept of freedom and how it relates to flow.

Chapters  in this episode: 

• Basketball is Not Communism 
• An Observer-Defined System
• Thoughts on Entropy 
• Freedom: Removing Obstacles That Impede Flow 
• Arrogance, Fascism, and the Intellectual Elites 
• The Constructal Law: Origins
• The Physics of Perception 
• Why Time Moves Faster as We Age 
• The Physics and Geometry of Beauty

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Time and Beauty
The Physics of Life
Design in Nature
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Brian "Ponch" Rivera
Basketball is not communism, even under communism. Basketball was played correctly.

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Adrian Bejan, PhD
Correct. The. Well.

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Adrian Bejan, PhD
I'm glad to see.

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Adrian Bejan, PhD
That to see that you're.

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Curious. Most people have no idea what the.

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Joke.

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Was.

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About the.

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Communism.

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To this day.

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Promises of equality.

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And.

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Egalitarianism.

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Adrian Bejan, PhD
Well, basketball.

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Is not communism. Basketball was played with hierarchy, and the hierarchy was obvious.

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After.

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The first second of the game.

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I.

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Meaning that the better player here is the merit system. By the way, the merit system is being taught by a comment by a basketball. Not by communism.

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Adrian Bejan, PhD
And the OC.

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Adrian Bejan, PhD
Thus the or for that matter, the. The primacy of the individual.

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Or the.

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Individual with the idea, with a well, just with a talent, but with a spark on the second to think, to go through, to block, to a should all these things. Action on the front line every second. This is the opposite of planning the opposite.

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Of the.

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Meaning. Success, performance progress.

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Is the.

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Antithesis to the Marxism.

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Speaker 4
And that.

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Dagger line actually came out of my mouth. I was interviewed for this.

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Through the.

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Wormhole with.

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Morgan.

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Freeman.

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And I.

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Adrian Bejan, PhD
Heard myself making this.

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Adrian Bejan, PhD
Joke. However.

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Adrian Bejan, PhD
A lot of the ideas in my work come from the time when I was in training.

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In.

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Particular the idea of evolution. I was training very hard and in fact, I would say religiously, you know, no no deviation from.

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From.

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The obvious necessities.

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And the by the way, I.

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Was the happiest and that was the best.

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The.

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Period of my life, the in spite of the regime. So then I was frustrated that I was not that I was not getting better faster.

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But I was I knew.

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That I was going to be better because I was still.

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Growing.

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That was.

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Obvious.

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About you. See, this is one of the chapters in the book you mentioned growth is not revolution.

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Growth is something else.

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Evolution is forget about the growth.

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The adult fixed size getting better.

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Adrian Bejan, PhD
Getting better through all sorts of what works is kept. That is the recipe. And what are the prescription to the pharmacist? And so these are two very different things. And I knew.

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Early.

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On that evolution does happen, but it happens very slowly.

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Brian "Ponch" Rivera
And you learn this while you're in Romania under communism playing basketball. Correct. It's just the transition.

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Adrian Bejan, PhD
Yeah.

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Brian "Ponch" Rivera
All right. So so that's your connection to having come from. Well, you didn't learn English until early 1970s, is that correct?

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Adrian Bejan, PhD
Yeah, in 69, when I arrived there that my Telugu Romania was a Francophile francophone country, anti Soviet to the core, even though it was a subtle light.

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My father. My father.

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This military he was a military veterinarian, by the way.

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Is I can't wait.

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I can't wait for.

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For.

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The USSR to declare.

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War.

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On the West because Romania will switch sides.

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Immediately.

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I thought I thought he was insane. But those who saw the after the Iron Curtain.

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The.

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Adrian Bejan, PhD
Fell, meaning it was raised. That is exactly what happened. All of them still walked the to the where they belonged.

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Brian "Ponch" Rivera
Right. And and today it's amazing. Even though we we exited the Cold War, it seems like we're entering another one. And perhaps we can talk about that a little bit later on. So basketball, aside from being at Duke University, that's well known for its Division one basketball teams. What do you know about basketball?

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Adrian Bejan, PhD
Well, I'm first of all, I'm a player. We like to joke in the locker room once a player always a player. And I felt the silence on my own body as I was beginning to explain the fact that the Duke has a history in this particular sport. This is purely coincidental and.

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It.

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Has nothing to do with me. And I have nothing to do with it. When I was a player, I was in all.

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Of the.

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News clippings about Celltex.

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And.

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The great players from that.

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From the.

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Sixties, by the way, in 65, the NBA all.

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Star coach.

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By Red Auerbach played him across the whole country, was meaning especially my.

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My kind of people were.

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Totally, totally blown away.

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By Oscar.

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Robertson and Jimmy Gola and, you know, Bill Russell, all these Bob Cousy.

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All these.

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Amazing, amazing talents.

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And.

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Who are not necessarily huge. Okay. I like to do so.

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The basketball.

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Is something very different than meeting in my life, different than.

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The Duke basketball.

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Adrian Bejan, PhD
Another thing I sense you have a we have an audience now let me let me.

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Complain they are.

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Student athlete of my era is not to become furious with the so-called student athlete of today.

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There are.

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Very few true student athletes I mentioned one.

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Of of.

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Who is now the vice president of Blue Origin, but those are very few, meaning students who are staying in school, students who excel at both. And, by the way, they're sure to excel at both because of.

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The.

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The act of training physically every day.

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Is.

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Is the best thing that could happen to the development and growth of your brain. It's called blood flow or access from one point of the ball to the other point of the ball. The ball being the brain is fantastic.

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Brian "Ponch" Rivera
So what can you tell us about the physics of life using basketball as an analogy? And we'll probably end up talking more about flow.

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Adrian Bejan, PhD
Is the.

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Analogy.

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Adrian Bejan, PhD
A metaphor? I'm not going to climb on that limb where a basketball is is everything. In fact, the closer closer to what you bring up is the fact that basketball is a tiny, tiny laboratory or crystal.

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Ball.

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In which to, say, the organization of society on the playing field. As I was explaining, the free, free society develops hierarchy. It is a higher meaning more than one. More than one, because some players are better at some things.

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And.

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Better than others. So there is a hierarchy of your name at shooting, guarding, even tripping without being seen.

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Adrian Bejan, PhD
Oh.

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Adrian Bejan, PhD
That's right. Then the league is playing. There are some extremely, extremely talented shooters.

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So you see the the.

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Point I make is that.

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In, in.

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In society societies, in fact the this ball game.

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Although of.

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The merit system overall meaning layers and layers of merit systems that are constantly manifesting themselves and meaning creating channels of.

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Of.

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Arising and sinking.

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And and.

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Meaning competition does the other name for these flows that are competing for space, obviously they are doing that in time.

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And.

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The whole thing.

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The.

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The game itself. If you were to put light bulbs on the heads of players and you turn off all the lights, you'll see.

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You'll see the.

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The the flow of the water goal.

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The goal called.

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The basketball mass. Well, that's essentially.

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A small.

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Scale, very tiny scale, like watching my son in a laboratory of biology.

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A small experiment.

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Mimicking, not mimicking, illustrating what goes on. So so they're much, much more broadly is.

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Not the.

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Subject that we are discussing. It should be, but there's not, because it is huge. It is huge, of course, as people say, complex.

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Or.

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Complicated. Well, because they sociologists are tiny, tiny, tiny leaves on the on a tiny and big trees in the immense forests of society. You cannot see the proverbial forest from the trees.

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Unless you're.

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You're brought up as a basketball player who has the idea.

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Of how.

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Things should be.

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Brian "Ponch" Rivera
All right. So in your books, you talk about the human as a flow system. And in the case of basketball, a basketball team could be considered a flow system competing against another flawed system. Is that correct?

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Adrian Bejan, PhD
They are.

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The basketball game is a flow system. Sorry that there's a live system. Live because if it were not moving with freedom to change all the time, it would be dead. So the so-called nomenclature we're juggling is binary.

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Low over or.

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Not, life meaning good.

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And.

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By the way, my training is in thermodynamics. The is much.

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How shall.

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I say, misspoken doctrine. And one of the first.

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Words.

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From the 1860 was the so-called death state. The people who put together this science that incidentally led to the construction of the aircraft that the.

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The.

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The two of you were flying because you need power and you need the engines and you need the aerodynamics and all these things. These are this is thermodynamics that science in the second half of the 1800s.

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Had.

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Already recognized the difference between.

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What we call.

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Flow system in the system and it's that state. The state means nothing moves nothing, nothing moves, nothing morphs, nothing changes.

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There in.

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Engineering, there are no degrees of freedom.

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In fact, the few.

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Got to be really, really curious centered around you. There is no such thing. Even a yeah, that's right. Even a brick. You may think it is a dead thing. That break actually arrived in front of your face from somewhere else. And it meaning it was in motion. It was being.

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Formed.

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It was being baked.

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It was it was oh, I like.

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A conveyor belt, like in the bread factory.

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So that's right.

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So if you are really curious, every everything that we call nature.

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Is.

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Of the other kind, meaning not.

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That it is, it is live.

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And it has freedom to morph. It has freedom to.

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Morph.

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Including the individual under communism. Has this God given.

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A.

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Set of features.

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The.

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Ability to step left or right or forward or run or to jump or scream, all these things to make choices, not as many as in a free society, but to make choices. Some are forbidden. For example, if you try to run away, they are the they're blowing up the border because the border is with landmines. You see, that's communism.

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Suddenly people are surprised when I tell them that under communism there are there were no passports.

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Brian "Ponch" Rivera
Right? No freedom to flow outside of your your bound.

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Adrian Bejan, PhD
You could not.

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Escape. Yeah.

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Simple as that. You had to be like me to win a math contest. Were to be. I like my men. Many of my teammates.

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Brave.

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Enough.

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To.

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Adrian Bejan, PhD
Miss the bus home after you played in Italy.

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Brian "Ponch" Rivera
Wow.

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Adrian Bejan, PhD
That was.

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Speaker 4
That's how you came here?

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Adrian Bejan, PhD
No, I.

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Adrian Bejan, PhD
Want a math contest because that was the other half of my training, which is identical to the one in basketball.

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Adrian Bejan, PhD
Yes, it.

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Adrian Bejan, PhD
Was to be an athlete of math dramatics. And I am I won a contest. Actually, I did perfectly because the judges did not know that I had trained myself so fantastically for mathematics to Olympiads. The problems on this exam were problems that I heard is solved.

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Adrian Bejan, PhD
So it's so, you know.

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Adrian Bejan, PhD
It's just like with the good ideas, a good program is a good idea. There will be many good ideas.

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Adrian Bejan, PhD
Okay.

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Brian "Ponch" Rivera
Okay. I was wondering if you could help our listeners understand thermodynamics from the from the perspective of flow systems and perhaps using basketball to explain that. So I guess, you know, when I read your books, you know, you have a boundary, you have an environment, you have inlets, outlets, you have design, you have currency. But could you help our listeners understand what a yeah.

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Brian "Ponch" Rivera
Okay. Flow system is?

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Adrian Bejan, PhD
Yeah. And they.

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Adrian Bejan, PhD
The problem with our mix is that it is so simple.

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Adrian Bejan, PhD
That.

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Adrian Bejan, PhD
It's doctrine or discipline is spoken and very few words.

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Adrian Bejan, PhD
Very few words and.

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Adrian Bejan, PhD
Each word has a single meaning. And that is not the way.

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Adrian Bejan, PhD
The.

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Adrian Bejan, PhD
People in the strip are talking. They are talking.

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Adrian Bejan, PhD
Through both the.

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Adrian Bejan, PhD
Corners of their mouth and they use analogies or metaphors and and repetition and so on. So there are no MCs. Here is the lesson in less than five, 5 minutes, I promise you a lot. First of them.

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Adrian Bejan, PhD
That first of all, that words system. System is a is a.

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Adrian Bejan, PhD
Region in space. There you go.

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Adrian Bejan, PhD
There you go.

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Adrian Bejan, PhD
System as a region in space.

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Adrian Bejan, PhD
Or.

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Adrian Bejan, PhD
A collection of matter selected.

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Adrian Bejan, PhD
By the discuss our meaning.

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Adrian Bejan, PhD
When I talk about system, it is.

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Adrian Bejan, PhD
Mine and I.

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Adrian Bejan, PhD
Have the duty to explain to the listener what I'm talking about.

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Brian "Ponch" Rivera
So the, so you have to put the boundary on something, right?

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Adrian Bejan, PhD
Correctly so that's right. So when I explain to the, to the listener, I say, yes, my system is defined by this imaginary surface.

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Adrian Bejan, PhD
Called.

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Adrian Bejan, PhD
Boundary, which separates my system from everything else room, the universe, the everything else is called environment or surroundings. You see how simple the subject are. So nothing says in this world what people think is complicated. There are only two systems mine and the rest of the.

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Adrian Bejan, PhD
World.

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Adrian Bejan, PhD
And between them there is a zero thickness surface called boundary, which is also mine. Because I pick that, I actually draw.

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Adrian Bejan, PhD
With.

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Adrian Bejan, PhD
Well, by the way, that's my third training, basketball, mathematics. They're making drawings. I was actually raised then.

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Adrian Bejan, PhD
After.

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Adrian Bejan, PhD
Hours I was going to an art school because of my parents thought that I had an inclination and direction and they were actually right about that. So I got this training early on.

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Adrian Bejan, PhD
So okay, now the boundary.

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Adrian Bejan, PhD
Is the one that has led to this cacophony.

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Adrian Bejan, PhD
Of.

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Adrian Bejan, PhD
So called thermodynamics speaking. Your in today's society, the boundary could be completely closed, meaning impermeable. And so a system where the impermeable body boundary that is mask of flow across or through the surface is called a closed system. If that if that boundary has.

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Adrian Bejan, PhD
Cracks or openings.

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Adrian Bejan, PhD
Inlets and outlets, then that is the most general kind of system. And it's called open system or flow system.

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Adrian Bejan, PhD
That's it.

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Adrian Bejan, PhD
In other words, the closed system is a special, special case of the open system. And there's also a closed system that nothing touches it, meaning there is no heat transfer to.

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Adrian Bejan, PhD
It.

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Adrian Bejan, PhD
Or from it, or there's no work being done on it or from it. The closed system that is not touched by.

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Adrian Bejan, PhD
Anything.

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Adrian Bejan, PhD
Is it's called isolated system. If you find one a nature, you should patent it.

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Adrian Bejan, PhD
But yeah, people do. Yeah, yeah.

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Adrian Bejan, PhD
People talk about isolated system.

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Adrian Bejan, PhD
Up and down. Yeah.

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Adrian Bejan, PhD
And let them do it because the then I start laughing.

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Brian "Ponch" Rivera
So let's pull this thread on the open system flows just open system flow system. If I can say that the application of which we can apply to the stock market a stock oh our heart, our brain, a cell, is that correct? Am I thinking through this correctly?

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Adrian Bejan, PhD
Well, you know, you.

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Adrian Bejan, PhD
Put lots of so-called systems in your.

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Adrian Bejan, PhD
In your in.

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Adrian Bejan, PhD
Your question depends on what the boundary you draw around that.

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Adrian Bejan, PhD
The.

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Adrian Bejan, PhD
Cell you mentioned the cell. The cell does not exist by itself.

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Adrian Bejan, PhD
The cell lives.

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Adrian Bejan, PhD
Inside. A bigger thing called the extracellular matrix, which has the function of of nourishing the cell and also rejuvenating it or closing it.

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Adrian Bejan, PhD
So so you see.

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Adrian Bejan, PhD
It's up to you to draw the in your head, the imaginary, the surface that defines your system. There is in the biology. Now, I think I correct.

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Adrian Bejan, PhD
The.

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Adrian Bejan, PhD
Redirecting in this.

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Adrian Bejan, PhD
Way, which.

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Adrian Bejan, PhD
Is that the cell is basically a lot more than the earliest drawings of this particular.

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Adrian Bejan, PhD
Objects.

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Adrian Bejan, PhD
And so anyway, the answer is yes, but the you have to tell people where the cell is. I'll give you a.

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Adrian Bejan, PhD
Let's.

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Adrian Bejan, PhD
Go to the analogy. The cell the cell has its own niche. Niche the way the the the bear has. It's then.

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Adrian Bejan, PhD
You say or.

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Adrian Bejan, PhD
The way that the I have my.

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Adrian Bejan, PhD
Home, okay.

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Adrian Bejan, PhD
Without that without my larger enclosure and I'm not going to by my shirt. This is much, much earlier because clothing clothing was the second the bigger step on the way to the almost up years. First was the adoption of fire, then the clothing and then the clothing allowed these hominids to migrate out of Africa. And in Africa. Is this up?

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Adrian Bejan, PhD
Is learned the them from the Neanderthals who got out of Africa earlier.

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Adrian Bejan, PhD
In the.

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Adrian Bejan, PhD
Time of the clothing. So you see the the the niche the niche we carry. We were like this.

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Adrian Bejan, PhD
Now we carry our house on our back.

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Adrian Bejan, PhD
In fact, the pictures of military men are very instructive. The the soldier carries a lot, a lot, a lot in order to build obviously.

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Adrian Bejan, PhD
A much.

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Adrian Bejan, PhD
Much better.

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Adrian Bejan, PhD
You know.

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Brian "Ponch" Rivera
So so with the with a fluid since we have the boundary of of the environment, you have inlets and outlets. And I think there's two other components or principal characteristics. You have the design and I think you call it a noun and you have the currency, right. So if we were to talk about and I hate to go back to basketball, but it's kind of where we started today.

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Brian "Ponch" Rivera
Can you describe a flow system using basketball or sports or another analogy.

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Adrian Bejan, PhD
You want the.

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Adrian Bejan, PhD
A view.

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Adrian Bejan, PhD
Meaning from above. If you look at basketball, it looks like a tiny, tiny society in.

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Adrian Bejan, PhD
In in the in in life, in life and do you make a distinction.

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Speaker 4
Or do you make a distinction in those boundaries between things that would occur naturally or things that would occur from human design? Meaning you talked about borders earlier. We talk about maybe rules inside of a basketball game.

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Adrian Bejan, PhD
Or.

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Adrian Bejan, PhD
I spoke about those because your colleague wanted to know about the where I come from. And and these are the things that that make make us grown ups and and interesting characters. They the what is made by the so-called human you know, the humor these days. They don't talk manmade or look they say human made.

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Adrian Bejan, PhD
Them I should say the real they the.

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Adrian Bejan, PhD
Human. The realm is as natural as anything else. Okay? The human realm with everything that goes into it. But beginning with itself happened.

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Adrian Bejan, PhD
It happened. It happened like.

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Adrian Bejan, PhD
Everything else, the river basins, the.

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Adrian Bejan, PhD
The.

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Adrian Bejan, PhD
You know, animal migration, the lightning and the.

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Adrian Bejan, PhD
And.

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Adrian Bejan, PhD
The earthquakes happened and all of that. The scroll nature.

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Adrian Bejan, PhD
Look, the.

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Adrian Bejan, PhD
Is something that the.

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Adrian Bejan, PhD
I, I am I.

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Adrian Bejan, PhD
Laugh at when I when I run into it. The dichotomy between the so-called nature and then the human realm with the what the people touches and make is different or superior or more elevated or early on, saintly.

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Adrian Bejan, PhD
That.

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Adrian Bejan, PhD
Comes from from the church. I happen to believe that the church has a very important role in science. If you want to talk about that as well. But this dichotomy, which is actually.

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Adrian Bejan, PhD
Basically.

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Adrian Bejan, PhD
Built into what you just asked about these artifacts.

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Adrian Bejan, PhD
That.

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Adrian Bejan, PhD
Comes from the church.

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Adrian Bejan, PhD
And on the other hand, today, today.

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Adrian Bejan, PhD
Academics are enforcing this dichotomy. They consider nature, frankly, much, much further from.

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Adrian Bejan, PhD
From.

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Adrian Bejan, PhD
From the position of the church. They think nature or physics.

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Adrian Bejan, PhD
Is.

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Adrian Bejan, PhD
Is, first of all, physics. They think it's rocks and the water flowing and the earthquakes. Mother animals.

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Adrian Bejan, PhD
Nature is.

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Adrian Bejan, PhD
Those the animals in it because of what the not long ago was baptized as biology and and but not to not the people you know not the people because well anyway.

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Adrian Bejan, PhD
So.

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Adrian Bejan, PhD
The ones who are preaching materialism on campus are in fact enforcing the dichotomy that came from the church, the that's that's ironic. And this is why it's important for students to learn not only science, but also learn the history of science and learn the origin of the language of science.

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Adrian Bejan, PhD
And left in.

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Adrian Bejan, PhD
The faces of those who do not know these elementary features before they started.

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Adrian Bejan, PhD
Teaching.

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Adrian Bejan, PhD
Thus, they are the reason why your question is important. So everything happens. By the.

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Adrian Bejan, PhD
Way.

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Adrian Bejan, PhD
Physics is everything that is. This is the meaning of that word.

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Adrian Bejan, PhD
In Greek and.

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Adrian Bejan, PhD
Nature. Same thing because contemporary where there were there were there was that was the Roman culture and not all the natural is the same thing, meaning the female entity that gave and gives.

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Adrian Bejan, PhD
Birth to everything, you know.

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Adrian Bejan, PhD
So nature is everything. And it which by the way, before in the 1800s, when the I forgot who came up with this idea of calling it physics, it was called natural sciences. And the scientists were natural scientists, meaning they they knew everything. They knew anatomy. They knew.

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Adrian Bejan, PhD
The.

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Adrian Bejan, PhD
Animals. They knew rocks and water.

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Adrian Bejan, PhD
And and, of course.

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Adrian Bejan, PhD
Ramparts for a set of those and advising Napoleon on how to win wars.

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Brian "Ponch" Rivera
So you're bringing physics into a holistic view of biology, social systems, and you're breaking down these silos or these islands or disconnected efforts between the way different communities look at that and say and it's connects across.

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Adrian Bejan, PhD
Right I.

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Adrian Bejan, PhD
Dinner break I actually.

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Adrian Bejan, PhD
Construct you say a.

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Adrian Bejan, PhD
Number of ways but the reason I do it Brian is that the that.

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Adrian Bejan, PhD
That I.

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Adrian Bejan, PhD
Confess meaning I feel guilty.

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Adrian Bejan, PhD
I.

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Adrian Bejan, PhD
Was educated in my career as an engineer. An engineer has the broader view, the holistic view.

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Adrian Bejan, PhD
The the whole.

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Adrian Bejan, PhD
That might use this particular component or this particular.

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Adrian Bejan, PhD
Organ. And the whole is.

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Adrian Bejan, PhD
The entity that has.

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Adrian Bejan, PhD
Purpose.

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Adrian Bejan, PhD
Purpose or objective or performance. You think about your own.

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Adrian Bejan, PhD
Aircraft that is.

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Adrian Bejan, PhD
Sorry.

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Adrian Bejan, PhD
Your.

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Adrian Bejan, PhD
Squadron.

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Adrian Bejan, PhD
Or even bigger your.

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Adrian Bejan, PhD
You know, aircraft carrier that is the.

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Adrian Bejan, PhD
Whole and the the oil pump and.

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Adrian Bejan, PhD
The avionics.

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Adrian Bejan, PhD
These are, of course.

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Adrian Bejan, PhD
Very.

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Adrian Bejan, PhD
Important.

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Adrian Bejan, PhD
Very important. But they exist. They're not to be the most perfect that they could be. They are there in order to be the best for.

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Adrian Bejan, PhD
The whole animal.

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Adrian Bejan, PhD
That's that's necessary.

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Adrian Bejan, PhD
For.

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Adrian Bejan, PhD
In this case, with a much bigger goal. The society or people or nation.

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Adrian Bejan, PhD
You.

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Adrian Bejan, PhD
See here. But the attitude to to be holistic is.

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Adrian Bejan, PhD
Is.

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Adrian Bejan, PhD
Is the engineer.

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Adrian Bejan, PhD
And on.

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Adrian Bejan, PhD
That on that statement, I was surprised to not to read on your on your one page, your.

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Adrian Bejan, PhD
Your.

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Adrian Bejan, PhD
Ideal of talking to engineers. I'm the first.

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Adrian Bejan, PhD
One and.

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Adrian Bejan, PhD
I'm not even an engineer.

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Adrian Bejan, PhD
Or I am I.

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Adrian Bejan, PhD
Am. What you hear.

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Adrian Bejan, PhD
Sort of.

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Adrian Bejan, PhD
The holistic view is the one that's currently pooh poohed were actually.

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Adrian Bejan, PhD
Overlooked.

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Adrian Bejan, PhD
In science sales. Sales, again, starting with the with the turn of the previous century, became a weather to the doctrine of the infinitesimal meaning. Search for the truth. Then you'll find.

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Adrian Bejan, PhD
That you'll find.

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Adrian Bejan, PhD
That that smaller as well as scales.

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Adrian Bejan, PhD
In other words.

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Adrian Bejan, PhD
Work deeper and deeper into that the totally dark.

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Adrian Bejan, PhD
Cave.

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Adrian Bejan, PhD
Until you see absolutely.

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Adrian Bejan, PhD
Nothing and am.

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Adrian Bejan, PhD
In that depths of invisibility, you will.

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Adrian Bejan, PhD
See the truth. Go ahead.

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Adrian Bejan, PhD
Go ahead. And after you see make a drawing. And I would like to say of.

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Brian "Ponch" Rivera
All right, I'm going to throw a zinger at you because you already corresponded with me. That what I'm about to ask you is you don't really embrace this idea. And or one idea you talked about earlier today that we need a common language and right now, entropy is on top of a lot of people's minds. So you you don't necessarily agree with the multiple definitions out there.

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Brian "Ponch" Rivera
What's your view on entropy?

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Adrian Bejan, PhD
Well, I won't.

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Adrian Bejan, PhD
Know. Qualified to discuss or even define the sixth entropy is that are in circulation. Other words that our.

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Adrian Bejan, PhD
Bible I'll.

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Adrian Bejan, PhD
I will answer your question very very soon but it's a thought bubble which is in fact the intentional just like the word freedom or liberty, which is spoken loudly.

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Adrian Bejan, PhD
In every.

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Adrian Bejan, PhD
Every country of the communist bloc to this day in North Korea, they they proclaim that to be.

00;31;48;17 - 00;31;54;16
Adrian Bejan, PhD
The the the law of the land, meaning the the.

00;31;54;18 - 00;32;05;11
Adrian Bejan, PhD
Word is spoken by this, but it is being misused. It is not questioned. It is everyone is for the question of this is not understood.

00;32;05;11 - 00;32;05;16
Adrian Bejan, PhD
As.

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Adrian Bejan, PhD
Simple as that. So you brought up this word. Well, look, in the Internet makes this very simple. The subject that I was beginning to sketch, the entropy has a very precise definition, which really requires a piece of paper in a in a in a pen to make a drawing. But that's not the point there. There is a second concept, which is in the string that makes which is called entropy generation.

00;32;40;07 - 00;32;47;17
Adrian Bejan, PhD
So entropy generation, in other words, a quanta that can be calculated.

00;32;49;04 - 00;32;50;14
Adrian Bejan, PhD
And even measured.

00;32;52;02 - 00;32;55;23
Adrian Bejan, PhD
Called entropy generation, which unfortunately has the.

00;32;55;29 - 00;32;56;10
Adrian Bejan, PhD
Word.

00;32;56;10 - 00;33;05;21
Adrian Bejan, PhD
Entropy in it. But entropy generation really means dissipation of power, also known as irreversibility.

00;33;05;21 - 00;33;06;06
Adrian Bejan, PhD
Okay.

00;33;06;15 - 00;33;40;08
Adrian Bejan, PhD
Or 100 years later, after Boltzmann is called disorder, this order of time, you tiny, tiny entities are the invisible scale. And and by the way, the ones who who built your aircraft or were not into the tiny, tiny, tiny, okay. Disorder, they were actually into the dissipation of power, also known as irreversibility and entropy generation, which is which is the.

00;33;41;13 - 00;33;43;04
Adrian Bejan, PhD
The the, the.

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Adrian Bejan, PhD
Version of the let's call the original doctrine was which is used routinely in the.

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Adrian Bejan, PhD
In the in.

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Adrian Bejan, PhD
The engineering and manufacturing and.

00;33;54;29 - 00;33;56;13
Adrian Bejan, PhD
Everywhere. In fact.

00;33;56;13 - 00;34;01;25
Adrian Bejan, PhD
Every everything, including animal design, runs on this on the idea that.

00;34;03;10 - 00;34;03;19
Adrian Bejan, PhD
These.

00;34;03;19 - 00;34;04;02
Adrian Bejan, PhD
Things that.

00;34;04;02 - 00;34;04;12
Adrian Bejan, PhD
Move.

00;34;05;00 - 00;34;11;27
Adrian Bejan, PhD
Is the rest of the tiny thing that makes everything that of flow system, anything that.

00;34;11;27 - 00;34;13;23
Adrian Bejan, PhD
Moves where it flows.

00;34;14;07 - 00;34;16;16
Adrian Bejan, PhD
Does so because it is pushed.

00;34;18;03 - 00;34;20;01
Adrian Bejan, PhD
Okay. Meaning in.

00;34;20;01 - 00;34;24;18
Adrian Bejan, PhD
Order to move, you have to overcome the opposition of your.

00;34;25;11 - 00;34;25;29
Adrian Bejan, PhD
Of your.

00;34;26;03 - 00;34;35;05
Adrian Bejan, PhD
Environment. The environment is sitting there and not getting out of the way unless it is it is penetrated.

00;34;36;02 - 00;34;37;20
Adrian Bejan, PhD
So now the.

00;34;37;20 - 00;34;39;12
Adrian Bejan, PhD
Pushing comes from power.

00;34;39;29 - 00;34;40;14
Adrian Bejan, PhD
Power.

00;34;41;08 - 00;34;42;10
Adrian Bejan, PhD
Power is is.

00;34;42;27 - 00;34;46;11
Adrian Bejan, PhD
The mother of movement. And the power.

00;34;46;26 - 00;34;52;14
Adrian Bejan, PhD
Comes from a class of systems. We call them engines or motors or.

00;34;53;11 - 00;34;54;19
Adrian Bejan, PhD
The the Earth's.

00;34;54;19 - 00;35;06;17
Adrian Bejan, PhD
Sphere that function as engines. They they are in motion. You can imagine the Earth as never mind is a is a cyclically.

00;35;06;21 - 00;35;10;18
Adrian Bejan, PhD
Moving fluid created.

00;35;10;18 - 00;35;20;03
Adrian Bejan, PhD
On one side, which is the solar part, then called on the other, which is the dark part. That's why the atmosphere is flowing. That's why.

00;35;20;22 - 00;35;20;28
Adrian Bejan, PhD
The.

00;35;20;28 - 00;35;28;27
Adrian Bejan, PhD
Oceans are circulating. And that's why eventually over many, many, many, many millions of years. Deposits of.

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Adrian Bejan, PhD
Of.

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Adrian Bejan, PhD
Organic matter have become fuels and they are powering not.

00;35;37;06 - 00;35;37;18
Adrian Bejan, PhD
Forget.

00;35;37;18 - 00;35;43;26
Adrian Bejan, PhD
About our puny engines of today, but they are the bellies and muscles of animals.

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Adrian Bejan, PhD
So but the.

00;35;45;18 - 00;35;48;00
Adrian Bejan, PhD
Biosphere is is so.

00;35;48;20 - 00;35;50;03
Adrian Bejan, PhD
Running all over the globe.

00;35;51;16 - 00;35;59;15
Adrian Bejan, PhD
Just as naturally as the atmosphere and the oceanic currents. So to recap, there is.

00;35;59;15 - 00;36;01;00
Adrian Bejan, PhD
Fuel either.

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Adrian Bejan, PhD
Instantaneous from the sun or or stored in the bank, all.

00;36;06;07 - 00;36;07;16
Adrian Bejan, PhD
The fossils.

00;36;08;07 - 00;36;15;28
Adrian Bejan, PhD
And by the way, that's the metaphor for your currency. The money in the bank is just like the stored power.

00;36;16;00 - 00;36;17;24
Adrian Bejan, PhD
Stored power in the.

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Adrian Bejan, PhD
In the underground. So there is fuel there is a flow system, sorry, immense number of natural engines.

00;36;27;06 - 00;36;27;17
Adrian Bejan, PhD
That.

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Adrian Bejan, PhD
That produce that produce power.

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Adrian Bejan, PhD
The power.

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Adrian Bejan, PhD
Drives flow.

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Adrian Bejan, PhD
And.

00;36;36;10 - 00;36;37;16
Adrian Bejan, PhD
And then that flow.

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Adrian Bejan, PhD
To.

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Adrian Bejan, PhD
Exist, it must go the environment, although the.

00;36;42;12 - 00;36;44;03
Adrian Bejan, PhD
Way that.

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Adrian Bejan, PhD
The interaction is dissipated.

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Adrian Bejan, PhD
Meaning the.

00;36;47;23 - 00;36;50;00
Adrian Bejan, PhD
Power, the push, the mover.

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Adrian Bejan, PhD
Is.

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Adrian Bejan, PhD
Destroyed instantly.

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Adrian Bejan, PhD
In.

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Adrian Bejan, PhD
The course of.

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Adrian Bejan, PhD
Moving.

00;36;55;24 - 00;37;05;25
Adrian Bejan, PhD
That is entropy generation A.J creation. The was going to the cemetery there was no way back that kind of.

00;37;06;07 - 00;37;06;15
Adrian Bejan, PhD
That's.

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Adrian Bejan, PhD
That is what irreversibility means and again call it disorder if you think about what goes on I don't know.

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Adrian Bejan, PhD
What the.

00;37;15;25 - 00;37;16;19
Adrian Bejan, PhD
Dark cave.

00;37;17;08 - 00;37;17;14
Adrian Bejan, PhD
I'm.

00;37;17;14 - 00;37;18;10
Adrian Bejan, PhD
Not interested.

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Adrian Bejan, PhD
Because I.

00;37;19;28 - 00;37;21;10
Adrian Bejan, PhD
Like to make drawings. And so.

00;37;21;17 - 00;37;23;01
Adrian Bejan, PhD
The point is the point.

00;37;23;01 - 00;37;23;20
Adrian Bejan, PhD
Is that.

00;37;24;04 - 00;37;27;02
Adrian Bejan, PhD
The the whole picture.

00;37;27;02 - 00;37;28;24
Adrian Bejan, PhD
Of nature begins.

00;37;28;24 - 00;37;30;05
Adrian Bejan, PhD
With begins.

00;37;30;05 - 00;37;31;23
Adrian Bejan, PhD
With a the prime.

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Adrian Bejan, PhD
Mover.

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Adrian Bejan, PhD
In this case, the the big engine of the earth that's.

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Adrian Bejan, PhD
Driven.

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Adrian Bejan, PhD
Permanently by by solar heating, which has this ability to.

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Adrian Bejan, PhD
To.

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Adrian Bejan, PhD
Move everything instantaneously, but also to store some of the excess.

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Adrian Bejan, PhD
For for future.

00;37;52;29 - 00;37;53;20
Adrian Bejan, PhD
Movements.

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Speaker 4
And it's also spontaneous to right all of that that's created from that. It's all spontaneous order.

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Adrian Bejan, PhD
It is. Oh, sorry. You spoke the word the the movement is spontaneous. Now, the movie order, also known as design.

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Adrian Bejan, PhD
Is.

00;38;11;19 - 00;38;17;23
Adrian Bejan, PhD
Spontaneous and is as natural as everything. This is the construct, the law, the fact that the movement.

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Adrian Bejan, PhD
With.

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Adrian Bejan, PhD
Freedom to morph the displays of natural configuration and the configurations are not are not random. They are always.

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Adrian Bejan, PhD
Of one way.

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Adrian Bejan, PhD
Meaning the construct, the way river basins look like river basins. Animals look like animals meaning that they have they.

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Adrian Bejan, PhD
Have a.

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Adrian Bejan, PhD
Speed. Speed that so goes meaning a big animal, a bigger speed.

00;38;47;23 - 00;38;48;28
Adrian Bejan, PhD
The animals.

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Adrian Bejan, PhD
Have a rhythm, they have a flapping frequency in the.

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Adrian Bejan, PhD
And.

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Adrian Bejan, PhD
The gait for workers and the fish drilling for swimmers.

00;38;59;05 - 00;38;59;28
Adrian Bejan, PhD
Law law.

00;38;59;28 - 00;39;02;11
Adrian Bejan, PhD
Frequency when they when the animal is.

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Adrian Bejan, PhD
Bigger.

00;39;04;02 - 00;39;12;14
Adrian Bejan, PhD
In other words, all of this is predictable from a from this principle of design. The evolution goal, the construct, the law.

00;39;12;28 - 00;39;16;00
Adrian Bejan, PhD
And it it illuminates.

00;39;16;23 - 00;39;20;00
Adrian Bejan, PhD
Facts of our nature that appear to be counter duke through.

00;39;21;07 - 00;39;24;26
Adrian Bejan, PhD
The elephant. This big moves.

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Adrian Bejan, PhD
Very, very slowly. You know infrequently. If you look at an elephant. Well, the elephant is a really.

00;39;31;26 - 00;39;36;11
Adrian Bejan, PhD
A fast the runner. So big means.

00;39;36;11 - 00;39;36;26
Adrian Bejan, PhD
Fast.

00;39;37;06 - 00;39;37;19
Adrian Bejan, PhD
And.

00;39;37;19 - 00;39;41;26
Adrian Bejan, PhD
Low frequency just like the whale you. So how.

00;39;42;17 - 00;39;43;28
Adrian Bejan, PhD
How rarely.

00;39;43;28 - 00;39;44;27
Adrian Bejan, PhD
The whale fish.

00;39;44;29 - 00;39;46;24
Adrian Bejan, PhD
Miles. Well the whale.

00;39;46;24 - 00;39;50;06
Adrian Bejan, PhD
Is a fast swimmer because the whale is.

00;39;50;06 - 00;39;53;23
Adrian Bejan, PhD
Big. Yeah and and so.

00;39;54;29 - 00;39;59;24
Adrian Bejan, PhD
Contradictory features of, of nature.

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Adrian Bejan, PhD
Are.

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Adrian Bejan, PhD
Not contradictory.

00;40;02;08 - 00;40;02;26
Adrian Bejan, PhD
At all.

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Adrian Bejan, PhD
If you know the physics of evolutionary design.

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Speaker 4
The, you know, I'm not a physicist or an engineer, I'm an economist. And what's fascinating is I think a lot of people that tune in and listen to us are versed in economics and business. What you're saying that I understand is that it informs economics and exchange and markets is a natural process, the order that emerges from it.

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Speaker 4
And it's it's really amazing stuff that you're seeing.

00;40;31;22 - 00;40;37;17
Adrian Bejan, PhD
The importance of importance of of injecting freedom, which means to remove obstacles.

00;40;37;27 - 00;40;38;02
Brian "Ponch" Rivera
Write.

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Adrian Bejan, PhD
Obstacles that look like whether it is but anything that impedes flow, by the.

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Adrian Bejan, PhD
Way.

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Adrian Bejan, PhD
To eliminate the obstacle is that not those not should not be confused with eliminating.

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Adrian Bejan, PhD
Good.

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Adrian Bejan, PhD
Ideas or.

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Adrian Bejan, PhD
Rules or rules.

00;40;55;21 - 00;40;56;24
Adrian Bejan, PhD
Such as the rule of.

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Adrian Bejan, PhD
Law or.

00;40;58;22 - 00;41;02;06
Adrian Bejan, PhD
In business, such as you should. You should not.

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Adrian Bejan, PhD
Steal, you say.

00;41;04;20 - 00;41;07;17
Adrian Bejan, PhD
So there are the rules of conduct that.

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Adrian Bejan, PhD
Are in fact.

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Adrian Bejan, PhD
Natural, because this is organization.

00;41;13;06 - 00;41;13;13
Adrian Bejan, PhD
And.

00;41;13;13 - 00;41;15;25
Adrian Bejan, PhD
That's rule, because they they facilitate.

00;41;15;25 - 00;41;17;09
Adrian Bejan, PhD
Flow.

00;41;17;09 - 00;41;21;15
Adrian Bejan, PhD
The alternative which never happens, is the so-called anarchy.

00;41;23;01 - 00;41;23;15
Adrian Bejan, PhD
If you give.

00;41;23;15 - 00;41;27;13
Adrian Bejan, PhD
Me another, okay, today I'll give you organization 1/2.

00;41;27;21 - 00;41;28;12
Adrian Bejan, PhD
After the.

00;41;29;01 - 00;41;29;11
Brian "Ponch" Rivera
Know.

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Speaker 4
Because of the spontaneity. Exactly.

00;41;31;21 - 00;41;54;16
Adrian Bejan, PhD
Because everybody wants to live number one, as opposed to being trampled over. And number two, everybody wants to live better and better and better. Tomorrow the hierarchy will be even better, meaning better for everybody, therefore more stable or so-called more rigid. But a natural hierarchy is is not rigid. It is actually free to morph.

00;41;55;01 - 00;41;58;09
Adrian Bejan, PhD
However, where the.

00;41;58;10 - 00;42;02;01
Adrian Bejan, PhD
Nature in all the participating individuals is such.

00;42;02;14 - 00;42;02;23
Adrian Bejan, PhD
That.

00;42;02;24 - 00;42;06;01
Adrian Bejan, PhD
The hierarchy that prevails through eternity.

00;42;07;08 - 00;42;07;22
Adrian Bejan, PhD
Sin.

00;42;08;29 - 00;42;14;04
Adrian Bejan, PhD
Appears to be more challenging.

00;42;14;04 - 00;42;27;07
Brian "Ponch" Rivera
So here's a question about freedom. So the suppression of ideas on social media or anywhere through fear or concern that you're going to be canceled is that directly related to the loss of freedom in this concept?

00;42;28;16 - 00;42;43;29
Adrian Bejan, PhD
Well, no, it's here we have a replay of the so-called popularity of Marxism at the turn of the previous century. That's what is going on with what you bring up.

00;42;44;18 - 00;42;51;01
Adrian Bejan, PhD
And and the and just like.

00;42;51;20 - 00;42;53;05
Adrian Bejan, PhD
More than 90 years ago.

00;42;54;24 - 00;42;58;04
Adrian Bejan, PhD
The smart people.

00;42;58;04 - 00;43;08;07
Adrian Bejan, PhD
Well, you know, with with advancement, with ready money, with food that's that's easy to access. And all this comes the arrogance.

00;43;08;20 - 00;43;09;14
Adrian Bejan, PhD
And of course.

00;43;09;14 - 00;43;21;24
Adrian Bejan, PhD
With the with degrees from Harvard and other places the arrogance that you know better than than the common man. That is that is what happened more than a hundred years ago.

00;43;22;06 - 00;43;22;16
Adrian Bejan, PhD
Now, in.

00;43;22;16 - 00;43;42;03
Adrian Bejan, PhD
Fact, one of my daughters published a book about the fascism and the interwar period. Fascism in the interwar period is associated with the Brownshirts. And now they were the vulgar, vulgar fascists and anti-Semites. And all this meeting with the workers.

00;43;42;04 - 00;43;42;17
Adrian Bejan, PhD
No.

00;43;43;00 - 00;43;46;13
Adrian Bejan, PhD
Fascism in the interwar period, or as the baby.

00;43;46;23 - 00;43;47;05
Adrian Bejan, PhD
Of.

00;43;47;05 - 00;43;48;04
Adrian Bejan, PhD
The intellectual.

00;43;48;04 - 00;43;50;26
Adrian Bejan, PhD
Elite of the world.

00;43;52;07 - 00;43;54;04
Adrian Bejan, PhD
The leading thinkers.

00;43;54;27 - 00;43;59;01
Adrian Bejan, PhD
Artists, writers, Jews were were.

00;43;59;01 - 00;44;22;08
Adrian Bejan, PhD
Gaga about it. I mean, just as they were with the by the way, of fascism and and and the Marxism are the same thing if you look at the history of it. So so and they were gaga about the, you know, communism as well. And so arrogance arrogance breeds this this attitude of.

00;44;22;25 - 00;44;23;06
Adrian Bejan, PhD
Well.

00;44;23;18 - 00;44;35;02
Adrian Bejan, PhD
That's what I call the replay or yeah, a feeling or pretense that the, that you know better than, than the common man. It is it is it is.

00;44;35;02 - 00;44;37;04
Adrian Bejan, PhD
A destructive.

00;44;37;10 - 00;44;52;06
Adrian Bejan, PhD
And is dangerous. And this is why it's important. It's important especially for those who who have access to education pupils and then the students and eventually professors who.

00;44;52;08 - 00;44;53;14
Adrian Bejan, PhD
Were to go.

00;44;53;14 - 00;44;58;29
Adrian Bejan, PhD
Through life with eyes open. And the question where they hear question.

00;45;02;23 - 00;45;21;13
Brian "Ponch" Rivera
So here's the last question on on our social systems. And I want to bring him back to construct a law and then look at your your new book. But excuse me, the idea of capitalism as a ideal flow system. And is that the best design that we know of right now? Is there something better for.

00;45;22;23 - 00;45;35;15
Adrian Bejan, PhD
Capitalism is another. Yes, it is another form of organization. I like this thing where just the M word, you know, Marxism, which is which comes from above.

00;45;35;15 - 00;45;38;05
Adrian Bejan, PhD
Okay.

00;45;38;05 - 00;45;39;27
Adrian Bejan, PhD
Capitalism happens.

00;45;40;28 - 00;45;42;19
Adrian Bejan, PhD
Capitalism happened.

00;45;43;06 - 00;45;43;24
Adrian Bejan, PhD
Just like.

00;45;43;24 - 00;45;50;15
Adrian Bejan, PhD
Money. Money happened. It is just like the wheel.

00;45;50;25 - 00;46;03;23
Adrian Bejan, PhD
The wheel happened because it the mind, it made the life on dirt easier. Animal domestication happened and so copied.

00;46;03;23 - 00;46;04;19
Speaker 4
The spontaneous, you.

00;46;05;23 - 00;46;15;09
Adrian Bejan, PhD
Know that's very spontaneous to the point of it was not even observed as it was happening. The people don't get the idea of meaning.

00;46;15;10 - 00;46;16;09
Adrian Bejan, PhD
This is why.

00;46;16;09 - 00;46;21;06
Adrian Bejan, PhD
History is very important. These things that we're discussing.

00;46;21;06 - 00;46;23;06
Adrian Bejan, PhD
Are nature itself.

00;46;23;24 - 00;46;26;29
Adrian Bejan, PhD
Nature and elk. Then they.

00;46;27;01 - 00;46;28;12
Adrian Bejan, PhD
Have to.

00;46;28;12 - 00;46;37;00
Adrian Bejan, PhD
Turn my statement inside out like a glove Marxism in all its reincarnation.

00;46;37;00 - 00;46;37;07
Adrian Bejan, PhD
All.

00;46;37;07 - 00;46;38;28
Adrian Bejan, PhD
These buzzwords you hear today.

00;46;39;06 - 00;46;40;11
Adrian Bejan, PhD
Are are.

00;46;40;17 - 00;46;43;05
Adrian Bejan, PhD
Unnatural, unnatural.

00;46;44;19 - 00;46;46;20
Speaker 4
And it's the fatal conceit, right?

00;46;46;28 - 00;46;47;08
Adrian Bejan, PhD
That's correct.

00;46;48;05 - 00;47;12;03
Adrian Bejan, PhD
But fatal. But sadly, the ones who die are the the large numbers that that are subject to the the unnatural edicts, because the victims are voiceless. Voiceless. They are. We look at the history that the 20th century left us with.

00;47;12;11 - 00;47;20;04
Adrian Bejan, PhD
It's a horrible, horrible. It's not it.

00;47;20;21 - 00;47;34;29
Adrian Bejan, PhD
Should be a museum. But you don't have a museum for for the for the tens of millions. Some people say 100 million who are actually killed by by this experiment. Most, but it's.

00;47;34;29 - 00;47;44;05
Speaker 4
The core most mostly it's the it's the core thought that we can plan for somebody else or we could do we could we could create our own way rather than what it is called.

00;47;44;05 - 00;47;46;23
Adrian Bejan, PhD
Is called arrogance or and.

00;47;47;13 - 00;47;47;29
Adrian Bejan, PhD
And.

00;47;48;27 - 00;48;06;01
Adrian Bejan, PhD
And this is where Baskerville is a great the great mother and a school. When you saw a player like that, you you basically pass the ball first through his face, you know.

00;48;06;01 - 00;48;06;13
Brian "Ponch" Rivera
Nice.

00;48;07;13 - 00;48;09;10
Adrian Bejan, PhD
By those who. Yes.

00;48;10;12 - 00;48;11;13
Brian "Ponch" Rivera
It's self-correcting.

00;48;12;27 - 00;48;16;19
Speaker 4
So that's the spontaneity of spontaneity, you know, correct correction.

00;48;17;18 - 00;48;32;05
Brian "Ponch" Rivera
So 1996, I want to learn a little bit more about the development of the constructive law. Well, this is after your time at the University of Colorado. You're at Duke. I think you're you're you're looking at Heisenberg. You're looking at the on that.

00;48;32;07 - 00;48;34;17
Adrian Bejan, PhD
No, no, no, no, no, no.

00;48;34;17 - 00;48;35;23
Brian "Ponch" Rivera
Walk us through that.

00;48;35;23 - 00;48;37;14
Adrian Bejan, PhD
No, no, no, no, no.

00;48;37;14 - 00;48;37;29
Adrian Bejan, PhD
No, no.

00;48;38;10 - 00;48;42;14
Brian "Ponch" Rivera
I will help me out where I was. Set me straight. All right. Thank you.

00;48;42;14 - 00;48;43;08
Adrian Bejan, PhD
I will help you.

00;48;43;08 - 00;48;44;21
Adrian Bejan, PhD
I had the I'm.

00;48;45;11 - 00;48;46;26
Adrian Bejan, PhD
Of I am.

00;48;46;26 - 00;49;01;24
Adrian Bejan, PhD
A proud descendant of the hammer at the school of thermodynamics. We're speaking of this bullshit. As of today, my professors were towering figures of.

00;49;02;17 - 00;49;03;13
Adrian Bejan, PhD
Of of.

00;49;04;02 - 00;49;15;25
Adrian Bejan, PhD
Solidarity and transparency and the lack of time for the B.S.. And they taught this Thermomix that I sketched, which was the very simple and.

00;49;16;19 - 00;49;17;05
Adrian Bejan, PhD
And.

00;49;18;22 - 00;49;46;07
Adrian Bejan, PhD
Pretty much like the Ten Commandments. Okay. You have to be very, very clear about the how simple or thin the book is and how powerful it is. And and the justice in my sketch and this is for the listeners, it occurred to me this is as is when I was a student because I had this pleasure of making drawings.

00;49;46;08 - 00;49;53;07
Adrian Bejan, PhD
Every time I was talking to myself, it occurred to me that the system.

00;49;53;07 - 00;49;54;05
Adrian Bejan, PhD
The the.

00;49;54;08 - 00;49;55;26
Adrian Bejan, PhD
Subject of the discussion.

00;49;56;16 - 00;50;00;16
Adrian Bejan, PhD
This was was this thing.

00;50;00;16 - 00;50;03;26
Adrian Bejan, PhD
This a black box with a boundary that I.

00;50;04;13 - 00;50;05;07
Adrian Bejan, PhD
Defined.

00;50;05;28 - 00;50;08;10
Adrian Bejan, PhD
And then that was it.

00;50;08;17 - 00;50;10;25
Adrian Bejan, PhD
And the that.

00;50;10;25 - 00;50;37;18
Adrian Bejan, PhD
Was the remix. But nature, even in my own work, was more interesting because inside the books I was drawing a of an engine or a refrigeration machine or even an animal running. I was doing these things back then, and in other words, nature was also had the configuration. Not only that, but the configuration everybody knew.

00;50;38;03 - 00;50;38;17
Adrian Bejan, PhD
Was.

00;50;38;29 - 00;50;51;09
Adrian Bejan, PhD
Running, flowing. And the yes, the biologist with the wood showed it as it was evolving. It was changing. Never mind the biologists, the engineers knew that technology.

00;50;51;09 - 00;50;52;04
Adrian Bejan, PhD
Evolves.

00;50;52;11 - 00;51;03;16
Adrian Bejan, PhD
Every year. Ford was coming up with a new model for me to put in the box that I then I would analyze and invoke the laws of thermodynamics. So I knew from.

00;51;04;03 - 00;51;04;28
Adrian Bejan, PhD
From my.

00;51;05;16 - 00;51;06;24
Adrian Bejan, PhD
Undergraduate days that.

00;51;06;24 - 00;51;08;26
Adrian Bejan, PhD
The the.

00;51;08;29 - 00;51;09;26
Adrian Bejan, PhD
Subject this.

00;51;09;26 - 00;51;11;13
Adrian Bejan, PhD
Most powerful.

00;51;12;17 - 00;51;13;08
Adrian Bejan, PhD
Science.

00;51;13;14 - 00;51;14;00
Adrian Bejan, PhD
Of a.

00;51;14;06 - 00;51;16;26
Adrian Bejan, PhD
Component of physics dynamics is the.

00;51;16;26 - 00;51;17;09
Adrian Bejan, PhD
Most.

00;51;18;11 - 00;51;50;21
Adrian Bejan, PhD
Powerful. The most general is incomplete, incomplete. So nature is is designed there's a growing that that gives morphing in some movies and on top of movies all the way to society, economics, business, transportation, warfare, all these things and the life and death. And then so that was in the 69 to 76 when I was at M.I.T. then.

00;51;52;04 - 00;51;52;10
Adrian Bejan, PhD
I.

00;51;52;10 - 00;52;21;15
Adrian Bejan, PhD
Had the fortune, great fortune, to be a post-doc postdoctoral fellow in Berkeley for two years. The Miller Institute for Basic Research and Science, which was a ticket to complete freedom. Complete freedom, meaning I had no duties except to to throw punches and tell jokes called the scientific papers. And and I was in a group of 12 Miller Fellows.

00;52;22;12 - 00;52;22;21
Adrian Bejan, PhD
And I.

00;52;22;21 - 00;52;23;01
Adrian Bejan, PhD
Was the.

00;52;23;01 - 00;52;24;02
Adrian Bejan, PhD
Only the.

00;52;24;02 - 00;52;25;05
Adrian Bejan, PhD
Only engineer.

00;52;26;05 - 00;52;26;28
Adrian Bejan, PhD
Yeah, it.

00;52;27;09 - 00;52;32;15
Adrian Bejan, PhD
Broke and the only one for me. But anyway, the only engineer. And then I discovered in this.

00;52;32;15 - 00;52;33;21
Adrian Bejan, PhD
Group that.

00;52;33;21 - 00;52;34;10
Adrian Bejan, PhD
I was.

00;52;35;05 - 00;52;36;25
Adrian Bejan, PhD
Conversant with.

00;52;37;05 - 00;52;41;05
Adrian Bejan, PhD
The biologists and the sociologist sat with the art historians.

00;52;41;13 - 00;52;44;12
Brian "Ponch" Rivera
So as an engineer, you could speak to other people. Is that what you're saying?

00;52;44;18 - 00;52;45;09
Adrian Bejan, PhD
Exactly.

00;52;45;13 - 00;52;46;24
Brian "Ponch" Rivera
That's very rare. Yeah.

00;52;47;06 - 00;52;47;25
Adrian Bejan, PhD
Rare.

00;52;47;25 - 00;53;24;07
Adrian Bejan, PhD
Rare, because I guess I had the very special parents because my parents were my father, veterinarian of mother pharmacist. They were educated before communism. They were as frankly as American as anybody from their generation. And the house was full of books, several languages my parents spoke French. My father on top of that, also spoke German. And and so the the world was one and there were no no cubicles in which to to put these eggs.

00;53;25;03 - 00;53;27;02
Adrian Bejan, PhD
And the.

00;53;27;02 - 00;53;28;16
Adrian Bejan, PhD
Friends of the family were.

00;53;29;00 - 00;53;30;13
Adrian Bejan, PhD
Were all kinds.

00;53;30;13 - 00;53;58;09
Adrian Bejan, PhD
You know, doctors and judges and engineers and all sorts. Anyway, in this group. In this group, I, I discovered that I belonged in a bigger stadium, very simple. And then so that was in the in the mid to late the seventies. And then I started my professorial career. And incidentally, listeners should, should take the following confession.

00;53;58;09 - 00;53;59;24
Adrian Bejan, PhD
You know, that if you.

00;54;00;12 - 00;54;03;19
Adrian Bejan, PhD
You know, go look at my career, okay?

00;54;04;28 - 00;54;07;12
Adrian Bejan, PhD
You know, yes, I.

00;54;07;21 - 00;54;16;00
Adrian Bejan, PhD
Done a few things. I must I must have been a lucky. Okay to be a professor. Sure enough, I was lucky.

00;54;16;00 - 00;54;18;07
Adrian Bejan, PhD
But when I.

00;54;18;12 - 00;54;20;10
Adrian Bejan, PhD
Got my peers, they this is.

00;54;20;10 - 00;54;20;24
Adrian Bejan, PhD
After.

00;54;20;28 - 00;54;23;05
Adrian Bejan, PhD
This was my third degree for them. I think I was.

00;54;23;06 - 00;54;24;01
Adrian Bejan, PhD
A.

00;54;24;12 - 00;54;27;10
Adrian Bejan, PhD
Honor student at MIT. There was a the top of my class of them I.

00;54;27;11 - 00;54;27;17
Adrian Bejan, PhD
That.

00;54;28;25 - 00;54;40;08
Adrian Bejan, PhD
I could not get a job. I kept applying for a professorship. My classmates were getting appointments right, then left automatically. Some were actually a couple of them, I think.

00;54;40;23 - 00;54;43;04
Adrian Bejan, PhD
I was I.

00;54;43;04 - 00;54;44;14
Adrian Bejan, PhD
Was rejected. I have.

00;54;44;16 - 00;54;44;24
Adrian Bejan, PhD
A.

00;54;45;13 - 00;54;52;27
Adrian Bejan, PhD
Cabinet, this black one is full of applications I still keep from the top universities of the USA.

00;54;53;09 - 00;54;53;24
Adrian Bejan, PhD
And.

00;54;54;18 - 00;54;55;10
Adrian Bejan, PhD
And I.

00;54;56;07 - 00;54;56;21
Adrian Bejan, PhD
By the way.

00;54;56;21 - 00;54;57;01
Adrian Bejan, PhD
Not.

00;54;57;01 - 00;54;57;18
Adrian Bejan, PhD
Once.

00;54;58;02 - 00;55;05;09
Adrian Bejan, PhD
Did they occur to me to scream that I am persecuted. You see, I had to keep applying for three and a half.

00;55;05;09 - 00;55;05;24
Adrian Bejan, PhD
Years.

00;55;06;02 - 00;55;09;21
Adrian Bejan, PhD
Until I got my first position at the University of Colorado.

00;55;11;09 - 00;55;13;04
Adrian Bejan, PhD
And and that was.

00;55;13;14 - 00;55;17;14
Adrian Bejan, PhD
Extremely important training training to.

00;55;17;19 - 00;55;20;02
Adrian Bejan, PhD
A were just.

00;55;20;02 - 00;55;22;00
Adrian Bejan, PhD
Like early in basketball to forgive.

00;55;22;00 - 00;55;22;11
Adrian Bejan, PhD
Better.

00;55;22;27 - 00;55;25;28
Adrian Bejan, PhD
To get better and to get better at not shutting up.

00;55;28;00 - 00;55;29;02
Adrian Bejan, PhD
So anyway in.

00;55;29;26 - 00;55;30;23
Adrian Bejan, PhD
In the eighties.

00;55;31;11 - 00;55;33;10
Adrian Bejan, PhD
In nomics there was.

00;55;33;12 - 00;55;36;02
Adrian Bejan, PhD
A growing.

00;55;36;02 - 00;55;40;07
Adrian Bejan, PhD
Let's call it the movement or feeling of dissatisfaction with the doctrine.

00;55;40;19 - 00;55;41;00
Adrian Bejan, PhD
Of.

00;55;41;00 - 00;55;50;29
Adrian Bejan, PhD
People trying to marry for nomics with economics. Because clearly thermodynamics just by itself cannot account for.

00;55;51;18 - 00;55;52;02
Adrian Bejan, PhD
Four.

00;55;52;24 - 00;55;58;11
Adrian Bejan, PhD
Phenomena and flows in the society. And so.

00;55;58;24 - 00;55;59;05
Adrian Bejan, PhD
I.

00;56;01;14 - 00;56;20;02
Adrian Bejan, PhD
This was music to my ears because it matched my intuition that the doctrine is not is not powerful enough for the throne nomics is not complete. And then ten years later, I have no idea how it happened that I sat down and I wrote the construct, the.

00;56;20;02 - 00;56;21;00
Adrian Bejan, PhD
Law.

00;56;21;00 - 00;56;30;12
Adrian Bejan, PhD
Which would be this additional additional law of physics that accounts for what was missing from that the black box of.

00;56;31;02 - 00;56;31;12
Adrian Bejan, PhD
Gold.

00;56;31;19 - 00;56;55;18
Adrian Bejan, PhD
That's called for anemic system. That's right. So that's the construct, the law. Let me read it for a finite size, the flow system, I put finite size there to rule out all these dreamers of the infinitesimal. You say, anyway, for a finite size flow system, for processing time, which means is not a.

00;56;55;18 - 00;56;55;29
Adrian Bejan, PhD
Dead.

00;56;56;08 - 00;57;16;21
Adrian Bejan, PhD
State system, it must live all that is the change with freedom so that it provides easier and greater access to what flows. In other words, this is the law of evolution as physics, meaning not as biology, only biology or technology, but is everything.

00;57;17;09 - 00;57;19;09
Adrian Bejan, PhD
And if you if you.

00;57;19;09 - 00;57;25;23
Adrian Bejan, PhD
Have it in your head, meaning this, if this is an idea that you have, then you are no longer surprised.

00;57;26;15 - 00;57;27;05
Adrian Bejan, PhD
That the.

00;57;27;24 - 00;57;34;15
Adrian Bejan, PhD
River basins are that way. Where that in the human language you find the river basins, basins, basins.

00;57;34;15 - 00;57;34;23
Adrian Bejan, PhD
Of.

00;57;34;23 - 00;58;05;05
Adrian Bejan, PhD
Air flowing water, you find that dichotomy, which means by fabrication or pairing of tubes, just like in the blood vessels, they all scales in the human body. You are not surprised that they are snowflake. This is a not an animal by the snowflake. This dendritic as well and it's predictable and it has its own fingers with with very precise angles between the fingers, all predictable.

00;58;05;22 - 00;58;06;08
Adrian Bejan, PhD
And.

00;58;06;08 - 00;58;06;19
Adrian Bejan, PhD
All of a.

00;58;06;19 - 00;58;07;03
Adrian Bejan, PhD
Sudden.

00;58;07;11 - 00;58;10;00
Adrian Bejan, PhD
The so-called complicated nature.

00;58;10;29 - 00;58;13;01
Adrian Bejan, PhD
Doesn't look as.

00;58;13;01 - 00;58;22;21
Adrian Bejan, PhD
Complicated as it used to. It's it's really, really not that complicated. I come back to the story with.

00;58;22;21 - 00;58;24;00
Adrian Bejan, PhD
The Jordan.

00;58;24;00 - 00;58;24;22
Adrian Bejan, PhD
Charles and.

00;58;24;22 - 00;58;25;03
Adrian Bejan, PhD
The.

00;58;25;19 - 00;58;32;01
Adrian Bejan, PhD
And the evolution of athletics. That was two years before that.

00;58;32;17 - 00;58;34;13
Adrian Bejan, PhD
With a top.

00;58;34;16 - 00;58;38;07
Adrian Bejan, PhD
Biologist from Penn State, Jim Martin.

00;58;38;21 - 00;58;39;29
Adrian Bejan, PhD
We are we're.

00;58;39;29 - 00;58;47;22
Adrian Bejan, PhD
Done. This is a predictive work for all animal locomotion to predict. While animals are different.

00;58;47;22 - 00;58;48;29
Adrian Bejan, PhD
Well, they are different.

00;58;48;29 - 00;58;50;22
Adrian Bejan, PhD
But now we know how different.

00;58;50;28 - 00;58;51;05
Adrian Bejan, PhD
The.

00;58;51;05 - 00;59;06;29
Adrian Bejan, PhD
Large, the bigger, fast or should be fast. They should be sluggish in their, you know, frequency over movement of their limbs. So the so-called complexity and diversity of of of this moving animal mass is really.

00;59;07;26 - 00;59;08;03
Adrian Bejan, PhD
More.

00;59;08;03 - 00;59;25;24
Adrian Bejan, PhD
Random and it's predictable. You say is so predictable, so predictable all the way to so, let's say horse races that I was contacted by bookies from Saudi Arabia for me, for me, for me to.

00;59;25;24 - 00;59;27;02
Adrian Bejan, PhD
Predict the.

00;59;27;02 - 00;59;28;25
Adrian Bejan, PhD
Winners of camel races.

00;59;28;28 - 00;59;31;25
Adrian Bejan, PhD
Camel races. I know nothing about camels. Okay.

00;59;33;18 - 00;59;45;21
Adrian Bejan, PhD
I saw them at the circus. Oh, sorry. That's not true. I go on safaris in South Africa regularly. I saw maybe I saw giraffes, not camels.

00;59;45;21 - 00;59;47;09
Adrian Bejan, PhD
But the the.

00;59;47;09 - 00;59;53;15
Adrian Bejan, PhD
Point the point is that that bewildering complexity is. A mirage.

00;59;54;09 - 00;59;55;04
Adrian Bejan, PhD
A mirage.

00;59;56;17 - 00;59;58;15
Adrian Bejan, PhD
If you don't want to be bewildered.

00;59;58;26 - 01;00;00;10
Adrian Bejan, PhD
Or read.

01;00;00;10 - 01;00;03;21
Adrian Bejan, PhD
My books on the construct, the law.

01;00;03;21 - 01;00;04;14
Adrian Bejan, PhD
Herbalife.

01;00;04;24 - 01;00;09;07
Adrian Bejan, PhD
Herbalife, and then place much, much better bets.

01;00;10;23 - 01;00;35;26
Brian "Ponch" Rivera
Yeah. So in your books you bring up the already called the glove hand in swimming, which I was explaining to my children several years ago, and I actually did my TEDx talk on this. So thank you for those those insights. But children are taught to swim with their hands together, I believe. And then later on in life, we revolve and the picture we're showing now shows, that swimmer with their finger spread on a freeze while they're freestyling.

01;00;35;26 - 01;00;48;16
Brian "Ponch" Rivera
Right. So this is what the construct a lot can help us predict is how we're going to potentially have the fastest athletes. There's going to be a limit on athletes on speed, right foot for humans. So. Correct.

01;00;49;10 - 01;00;49;20
Adrian Bejan, PhD
Well.

01;00;50;24 - 01;00;55;11
Adrian Bejan, PhD
As long as there is no limit to freedom, there is no limit to performance.

01;00;56;03 - 01;00;56;14
Adrian Bejan, PhD
Okay.

01;00;56;23 - 01;01;00;02
Adrian Bejan, PhD
Except that in that direction of diminishing returns.

01;01;00;17 - 01;01;01;11
Adrian Bejan, PhD
Yeah.

01;01;01;11 - 01;01;38;08
Adrian Bejan, PhD
Are are raising their ugly head and they are they convinced they, they think over the designer that the wasting time is not worth the additional effort. But the way that you begin is extremely important. And this is what goes on from the way the the children are brought up in swimming to how along the way, if they become athletes of a performance, high performance, then they end up making small adjustments, such as spreading fingers and toes, by the way.

01;01;39;03 - 01;01;41;23
Adrian Bejan, PhD
And, and it's about.

01;01;42;08 - 01;01;43;01
Adrian Bejan, PhD
Spreading them.

01;01;43;01 - 01;01;45;14
Adrian Bejan, PhD
Only sort of before.

01;01;46;00 - 01;01;51;05
Adrian Bejan, PhD
Spreading them only a certain third way, which with a can strike the.

01;01;51;05 - 01;01;52;06
Adrian Bejan, PhD
Low it.

01;01;52;07 - 01;01;52;29
Adrian Bejan, PhD
Means to have.

01;01;53;12 - 01;01;53;19
Adrian Bejan, PhD
A.

01;01;54;19 - 01;02;01;00
Adrian Bejan, PhD
Spacing between fingers that's that matches the thickness of the boundary layer. This is a concept.

01;02;01;18 - 01;02;04;15
Adrian Bejan, PhD
It's a it's a it's a like a.

01;02;04;28 - 01;02;06;19
Adrian Bejan, PhD
Like a slice of.

01;02;07;05 - 01;02;07;17
Adrian Bejan, PhD
Of.

01;02;07;25 - 01;02;08;14
Adrian Bejan, PhD
Baloney.

01;02;08;28 - 01;02;09;22
Adrian Bejan, PhD
Meat on a.

01;02;09;22 - 01;02;11;20
Adrian Bejan, PhD
On a on a in a sandwich.

01;02;12;01 - 01;02;12;15
Adrian Bejan, PhD
A.

01;02;12;15 - 01;02;33;12
Adrian Bejan, PhD
Flow that coats coats the the finger the way that the an airflow coats the wing of the airplane. And that's right. And so the the the swimmer that swims with the fingers spread slightly is wearing a water glove.

01;02;33;28 - 01;02;34;27
Adrian Bejan, PhD
A water glove.

01;02;35;21 - 01;02;40;16
Adrian Bejan, PhD
Even though in the in the swimming pool, the glove that is converted, the swimming.

01;02;41;02 - 01;02;43;06
Adrian Bejan, PhD
Gloves are illegal, you see.

01;02;44;03 - 01;02;45;21
Adrian Bejan, PhD
Or flippers are illegal.

01;02;46;03 - 01;02;47;13
Adrian Bejan, PhD
But this is a.

01;02;47;23 - 01;02;48;22
Adrian Bejan, PhD
Technique of.

01;02;49;13 - 01;02;49;29
Adrian Bejan, PhD
Equipping.

01;02;49;29 - 01;02;51;03
Adrian Bejan, PhD
Yourself with your.

01;02;51;03 - 01;02;52;22
Adrian Bejan, PhD
Own water glove.

01;02;52;27 - 01;02;53;19
Adrian Bejan, PhD
And by the way.

01;02;53;19 - 01;02;54;22
Adrian Bejan, PhD
They they.

01;02;54;24 - 01;02;57;02
Adrian Bejan, PhD
Are trained swimmer learns along the.

01;02;57;02 - 01;02;59;22
Adrian Bejan, PhD
Way, which water glove is.

01;02;59;26 - 01;03;06;03
Adrian Bejan, PhD
Biggest for himself or for herself. So it's all all about an individual.

01;03;06;13 - 01;03;06;24
Adrian Bejan, PhD
And.

01;03;06;24 - 01;03;17;02
Adrian Bejan, PhD
Of course, about the coach, which is the niche of the of this particular individual. But so that's the beginning of the.

01;03;17;14 - 01;03;18;26
Adrian Bejan, PhD
Of the of the.

01;03;18;26 - 01;03;25;14
Adrian Bejan, PhD
Story coming from the swimming pool. What is a tremendous lesson for the biologists now, you know.

01;03;25;15 - 01;03;28;29
Adrian Bejan, PhD
Where webbed feet came from in the.

01;03;29;01 - 01;03;31;16
Adrian Bejan, PhD
In the frog and then the duck and the goose.

01;03;31;29 - 01;03;33;13
Adrian Bejan, PhD
You see webbed feet.

01;03;34;01 - 01;03;34;28
Adrian Bejan, PhD
Because you see.

01;03;35;19 - 01;03;36;00
Adrian Bejan, PhD
If.

01;03;36;00 - 01;03;36;17
Adrian Bejan, PhD
The.

01;03;36;24 - 01;03;37;02
Adrian Bejan, PhD
If.

01;03;37;04 - 01;03;38;27
Adrian Bejan, PhD
The foot is always like.

01;03;38;27 - 01;03;43;00
Adrian Bejan, PhD
This, you know, with with the what.

01;03;43;00 - 01;03;46;22
Adrian Bejan, PhD
Happens in the in the sharp corner where the water not.

01;03;46;22 - 01;03;48;02
Adrian Bejan, PhD
Moving.

01;03;48;02 - 01;03;54;17
Adrian Bejan, PhD
Not moving and not the boat shaving away the the skin and the.

01;03;54;17 - 01;04;00;28
Adrian Bejan, PhD
Made them move grows in the armpit. Hmm.

01;04;02;20 - 01;04;13;03
Adrian Bejan, PhD
Just like they the hair in the, in the output of the human when the human was living its aquatic foods, the aquatic face, you know.

01;04;13;25 - 01;04;14;02
Adrian Bejan, PhD
Yeah.

01;04;15;21 - 01;04;18;14
Adrian Bejan, PhD
The with the before we rose from the blue.

01;04;18;14 - 01;04;23;29
Adrian Bejan, PhD
Lagoon you say, okay, there you go. So that's.

01;04;23;29 - 01;04;26;25
Adrian Bejan, PhD
Right. You, you heard it from mother construct the law.

01;04;27;13 - 01;04;49;06
Brian "Ponch" Rivera
Right? So there's another aspect here and that's on social media recently. There are a lot of arguments that all the cards are starting to look alike from designers. And you point out that this is just normal evolution of design. And the picture we have up is our aircraft. And to me, I agree with your assessment that all aircraft pretty much look alike and there's a reason for that.

01;04;49;06 - 01;04;51;03
Brian "Ponch" Rivera
Right. And the construct a lot tells us one.

01;04;52;03 - 01;04;55;11
Adrian Bejan, PhD
Yeah, this.

01;04;55;11 - 01;04;59;26
Adrian Bejan, PhD
Is another thing I did with with Jordan Charles, by the way.

01;05;00;15 - 01;05;02;19
Adrian Bejan, PhD
The the.

01;05;02;26 - 01;05;04;13
Adrian Bejan, PhD
Vice president of Blue Origin.

01;05;05;03 - 01;05;05;21
Adrian Bejan, PhD
When he was a.

01;05;05;21 - 01;05;06;06
Adrian Bejan, PhD
Student.

01;05;06;21 - 01;05;09;28
Adrian Bejan, PhD
They correct the.

01;05;09;28 - 01;05;26;04
Adrian Bejan, PhD
All of the all the commercial airplanes involved in this direction. But according to the construct the law, they should have evolved this way. The simplest the description of this way is that the the wingspan.

01;05;26;24 - 01;05;27;18
Adrian Bejan, PhD
Should be.

01;05;28;01 - 01;05;45;17
Adrian Bejan, PhD
Essentially the same long, the same length as the fuselage. And once you have this prediction for a mental viewing, you are no longer surprised about the design of the the flying bird. The birds are the same way.

01;05;46;11 - 01;05;47;03
Adrian Bejan, PhD
Big a.

01;05;47;07 - 01;06;13;15
Adrian Bejan, PhD
Big body, big. No wingspan, and the opposite for the smaller things. They wore this way because this is the the distribution of body mass that that corresponds to is is the axis on a line. This line could be zigzag or whatever, cruising or not. But it is from one point to another.

01;06;13;15 - 01;06;13;27
Adrian Bejan, PhD
The.

01;06;13;27 - 01;06;19;24
Adrian Bejan, PhD
Axis in this case, from A to B, it means traveling with.

01;06;21;02 - 01;06;21;14
Adrian Bejan, PhD
With.

01;06;22;12 - 01;06;24;04
Adrian Bejan, PhD
With less and less.

01;06;25;04 - 01;06;26;17
Adrian Bejan, PhD
Of a food.

01;06;26;21 - 01;06;36;04
Adrian Bejan, PhD
Requirement. And I don't know if you spend your time watching birds and animals. I do that from the time of my father, the veterinarian.

01;06;37;13 - 01;06;38;13
Adrian Bejan, PhD
Finding food.

01;06;38;28 - 01;06;40;09
Adrian Bejan, PhD
Is a real.

01;06;40;09 - 01;06;40;21
Adrian Bejan, PhD
Bitch.

01;06;41;01 - 01;06;49;27
Adrian Bejan, PhD
A real. And the animals are doing it constantly. Constantly. And when you when you look at them, you see.

01;06;50;05 - 01;06;53;00
Adrian Bejan, PhD
You see life they were where.

01;06;53;01 - 01;06;57;20
Adrian Bejan, PhD
They almost Serbians came from. It was a very hard life.

01;06;57;27 - 01;06;58;29
Adrian Bejan, PhD
Of over.

01;06;59;00 - 01;07;05;03
Adrian Bejan, PhD
Scrounging for food. Originally. Yeah not like so yeah.

01;07;05;16 - 01;07;17;28
Brian "Ponch" Rivera
You know I know in aviation we borrow was it auto mimicry. We look at birds in the feathers and the design of birds and even even whales. You could see that reflected in aircraft design. So you can learn a lot from nature, right?

01;07;18;18 - 01;07;18;29
Adrian Bejan, PhD
Yeah.

01;07;18;29 - 01;07;34;19
Adrian Bejan, PhD
About the eye. It's Much better not to look through the peephole into the ladies room. Okay? It's much better to to predict the what is in that ladies room and to know the principle.

01;07;35;02 - 01;07;38;11
Adrian Bejan, PhD
So mimicking is is.

01;07;38;15 - 01;07;43;18
Adrian Bejan, PhD
For other people are not mention plagiarists blades. Okay.

01;07;44;22 - 01;07;48;09
Adrian Bejan, PhD
I yeah, i, i not.

01;07;48;09 - 01;08;07;11
Adrian Bejan, PhD
Only that. So I'm against the I against the peeping tom, but it is much the only reason why this activity of yours is successful is that after a looking those who implement those observations in the in the aircraft design.

01;08;07;24 - 01;08;09;15
Adrian Bejan, PhD
No physics.

01;08;09;15 - 01;08;14;16
Adrian Bejan, PhD
They no principles. They know what wing to make so the wing doesn't.

01;08;14;16 - 01;08;16;05
Adrian Bejan, PhD
Break it.

01;08;16;06 - 01;08;20;16
Adrian Bejan, PhD
Is if you look at the bird and if you believe in this religion that.

01;08;21;20 - 01;08;23;15
Adrian Bejan, PhD
That somehow.

01;08;23;20 - 01;08;30;20
Adrian Bejan, PhD
People learn how to fly by by copying the birds, which is not true.

01;08;30;20 - 01;08;31;24
Adrian Bejan, PhD
They then.

01;08;31;28 - 01;08;42;29
Adrian Bejan, PhD
Then you end up miles ahead in the design process, meaning you don't beat around the bush the way that the, the, the first builders of aircraft.

01;08;43;01 - 01;08;43;20
Adrian Bejan, PhD
Actually.

01;08;44;09 - 01;08;48;16
Adrian Bejan, PhD
Did. And that died while training but while trying.

01;08;49;02 - 01;08;50;14
Adrian Bejan, PhD
So the.

01;08;51;13 - 01;08;54;17
Adrian Bejan, PhD
You know, the history of the movies, people try to build the flapping.

01;08;54;17 - 01;08;55;06
Adrian Bejan, PhD
Aircraft.

01;08;55;06 - 01;08;59;16
Adrian Bejan, PhD
Yeah that right they'll kill them.

01;08;59;16 - 01;09;02;05
Adrian Bejan, PhD
So no the, the.

01;09;02;13 - 01;09;13;03
Adrian Bejan, PhD
The animal design is as natural as the, the, this other animal called the human animal flying as a group in a, in a much bigger of.

01;09;13;20 - 01;09;16;09
Adrian Bejan, PhD
You know, the fuselage. And.

01;09;16;28 - 01;09;38;02
Adrian Bejan, PhD
And they come from the same principle this construct, the lawyer mansion, which is morphing with rhythm in this movie of evolutionary design toward a an object that provides access for them, in this case from A to B, in the case of aviation, with the with less.

01;09;38;02 - 01;09;40;09
Adrian Bejan, PhD
Fuel were the.

01;09;40;09 - 01;09;47;01
Adrian Bejan, PhD
Unit, there are less less the fuel spent for 100 kilometers per passenger.

01;09;47;01 - 01;10;16;08
Brian "Ponch" Rivera
Seat. Yeah, right. So I want to move over to your new book, Time and Beauty. There's there's three topics that really interest me in there. One is the the way you how perception works, and the other one is the mind when you cut the mind time. And then of course, beauty and I think this book was absolutely fascinating read because a lot of it had to do with, I believe, your experience during lockdowns.

01;10;16;21 - 01;10;24;12
Brian "Ponch" Rivera
And I think many of us felt the same way. So can you walk us through perception, through through your eyes how that works?

01;10;25;23 - 01;10;31;03
Adrian Bejan, PhD
Yeah, I yeah. Well.

01;10;31;16 - 01;10;33;29
Adrian Bejan, PhD
Time and beauty, as you said.

01;10;33;29 - 01;10;35;06
Adrian Bejan, PhD
The aura.

01;10;35;06 - 01;10;43;25
Adrian Bejan, PhD
To probably the most common and most important actually human perceptions.

01;10;45;17 - 01;10;45;29
Adrian Bejan, PhD
In.

01;10;46;24 - 01;11;07;01
Adrian Bejan, PhD
Physics. These are known as intangibles, meaning they don't belong in physics and when people declare things from the rooftops, we're talking about Marxists than just a second ago. Then it's time for Adrien to say, Hey, wait a minute, a minute. I can predict.

01;11;07;01 - 01;11;08;04
Adrian Bejan, PhD
These things, you see.

01;11;08;23 - 01;11;18;26
Adrian Bejan, PhD
So because of this crystal ball call, they construct the law, meaning that everything that is is evolving. The design.

01;11;19;17 - 01;11;21;17
Adrian Bejan, PhD
And the.

01;11;22;05 - 01;11;26;18
Adrian Bejan, PhD
Perception of time. There's Nothing new. And what I'm going to tell.

01;11;26;18 - 01;11;26;25
Adrian Bejan, PhD
You.

01;11;27;18 - 01;11;35;10
Adrian Bejan, PhD
Is, is not a continuous process. There's just like.

01;11;35;10 - 01;11;35;28
Adrian Bejan, PhD
The.

01;11;36;12 - 01;11;51;24
Adrian Bejan, PhD
The movie of the cinema. It is a sequence of snapshots, a sequence as fast enough so that the female human brain is connecting the dots and seeing continuity.

01;11;52;12 - 01;11;52;21
Adrian Bejan, PhD
As.

01;11;52;21 - 01;12;20;01
Adrian Bejan, PhD
A morphing image and the snapshots. So this is the act of vision. They are the snapshots are goes like this, the the violent, the abrupt, the jolts that the eye executes, I think, about 30 times per second, which were not the feeling. But that's the way the eyes are designed, meaning they're actuated by.

01;12;21;04 - 01;12;21;24
Adrian Bejan, PhD
Ocular.

01;12;21;24 - 01;12;22;15
Adrian Bejan, PhD
Muscles.

01;12;22;17 - 01;12;23;18
Adrian Bejan, PhD
That the.

01;12;23;22 - 01;12;25;14
Adrian Bejan, PhD
The jiggle, the eyeball.

01;12;26;23 - 01;12;31;23
Adrian Bejan, PhD
Incessantly. And so the way of.

01;12;32;22 - 01;12;39;28
Adrian Bejan, PhD
The brain snapshots at a high frequency that is that is the physics.

01;12;39;28 - 01;12;42;12
Adrian Bejan, PhD
Now, they are.

01;12;42;24 - 01;12;48;09
Adrian Bejan, PhD
The reason why I got into the this particular subject was not the lockdown that came.

01;12;48;14 - 01;12;49;00
Adrian Bejan, PhD
After.

01;12;49;23 - 01;12;51;25
Adrian Bejan, PhD
It was probably because I was getting old.

01;12;52;08 - 01;12;53;05
Adrian Bejan, PhD
In fact, the.

01;12;53;25 - 01;12;56;07
Adrian Bejan, PhD
Was so that would become old when I was in middle.

01;12;56;07 - 01;12;58;15
Adrian Bejan, PhD
School. You're not correct.

01;12;59;03 - 01;13;02;27
Adrian Bejan, PhD
I don't know about you, but I did. So how did I.

01;13;03;03 - 01;13;08;10
Adrian Bejan, PhD
That I I it occurred.

01;13;08;10 - 01;13;08;29
Adrian Bejan, PhD
To me that.

01;13;08;29 - 01;13;11;00
Adrian Bejan, PhD
The the hour.

01;13;11;00 - 01;13;17;23
Adrian Bejan, PhD
Of my classroom was a lot shorter than the elementary school.

01;13;19;04 - 01;13;21;08
Adrian Bejan, PhD
Now, where I was.

01;13;21;08 - 01;13;46;14
Adrian Bejan, PhD
Bored to tears. And I learned elementary school and middle school, which was, you know, beginning to disappear first in high school, it was really, really short. And then the same time, because I was raised as a ball player from Ball Boy, not in adolescence, oh seven basketball the game.

01;13;47;11 - 01;13;50;29
Adrian Bejan, PhD
But the more I grew with.

01;13;51;08 - 01;13;55;21
Adrian Bejan, PhD
The shorter the game was getting older.

01;13;55;21 - 01;13;58;20
Adrian Bejan, PhD
And, and so I.

01;13;59;01 - 01;14;09;15
Adrian Bejan, PhD
I remain curious about this and that and the, the observation that time flies was reinforced from decade to decade. And then.

01;14;10;27 - 01;14;14;08
Adrian Bejan, PhD
I don't know why in.

01;14;14;14 - 01;14;15;20
Adrian Bejan, PhD
The year 2000.

01;14;15;24 - 01;14;15;29
Adrian Bejan, PhD
The.

01;14;16;26 - 01;14;26;16
Adrian Bejan, PhD
Theme 2009 theme I decided to write down the obvious reason why this should be so.

01;14;27;09 - 01;14;27;25
Adrian Bejan, PhD
And it.

01;14;27;25 - 01;14;28;05
Adrian Bejan, PhD
Is the.

01;14;28;05 - 01;14;31;21
Adrian Bejan, PhD
Following the.

01;14;32;27 - 01;14;33;26
Adrian Bejan, PhD
The frequency.

01;14;34;05 - 01;14;34;16
Adrian Bejan, PhD
Of.

01;14;34;22 - 01;14;44;05
Adrian Bejan, PhD
Snapshots decreases with age. In other words, from from sunrise to sunset. The number of.

01;14;44;27 - 01;14;45;08
Adrian Bejan, PhD
Of.

01;14;46;19 - 01;14;51;21
Adrian Bejan, PhD
That's right. The number of snapshots sent to the brain decreases.

01;14;51;22 - 01;14;52;11
Adrian Bejan, PhD
Why?

01;14;53;03 - 01;15;05;24
Adrian Bejan, PhD
For several reasons. One is that the the bigger the animal, the bigger the trouble distance between the retina and brain. So they travel distance increases.

01;15;06;08 - 01;15;09;06
Adrian Bejan, PhD
With aging the the.

01;15;09;07 - 01;15;11;21
Adrian Bejan, PhD
Speed of the transmission, the flow, if you.

01;15;11;21 - 01;15;12;03
Adrian Bejan, PhD
Want.

01;15;12;25 - 01;15;16;13
Adrian Bejan, PhD
Decreases for many reasons, not just degradation, but.

01;15;17;04 - 01;15;17;09
Adrian Bejan, PhD
The.

01;15;17;11 - 01;15;18;01
Adrian Bejan, PhD
Growth of.

01;15;18;01 - 01;15;19;15
Adrian Bejan, PhD
The the.

01;15;20;11 - 01;15;40;28
Adrian Bejan, PhD
The nervous track becomes more complex with more by vacations, with more street corners. And the very important is the fact that one of the the body becomes bigger and then older. The frequency of muscle action decreases. You see this in on the playing field.

01;15;41;10 - 01;15;44;10
Adrian Bejan, PhD
The the.

01;15;44;10 - 01;15;45;14
Adrian Bejan, PhD
Player, the older.

01;15;45;14 - 01;15;46;00
Adrian Bejan, PhD
Player.

01;15;47;05 - 01;15;50;06
Adrian Bejan, PhD
Loses a step or two in the race.

01;15;51;28 - 01;15;52;05
Adrian Bejan, PhD
To.

01;15;52;05 - 01;15;54;07
Adrian Bejan, PhD
The goal or to defending the goal.

01;15;55;25 - 01;15;57;14
Adrian Bejan, PhD
And so all.

01;15;57;14 - 01;15;59;16
Adrian Bejan, PhD
These changes are conspiring.

01;16;00;11 - 01;16;00;26
Adrian Bejan, PhD
Toward.

01;16;01;06 - 01;16;02;23
Adrian Bejan, PhD
Making this number of.

01;16;03;12 - 01;16;03;21
Adrian Bejan, PhD
Of.

01;16;03;21 - 01;16;05;26
Adrian Bejan, PhD
Clicks become smaller or.

01;16;05;26 - 01;16;08;11
Adrian Bejan, PhD
Smaller as they.

01;16;08;22 - 01;16;14;17
Adrian Bejan, PhD
Arrive in storage on the brain. So but the brain.

01;16;14;29 - 01;16;16;02
Adrian Bejan, PhD
Grew in.

01;16;16;02 - 01;16;19;03
Adrian Bejan, PhD
Infancy, that is when most of the brain develops.

01;16;19;15 - 01;16;22;15
Adrian Bejan, PhD
And the brain, my.

01;16;22;15 - 01;16;35;13
Adrian Bejan, PhD
Brain and yours is used to receiving a large number of such snapshots. And so the brain reports the to the owner of the brain.

01;16;36;00 - 01;16;36;12
Adrian Bejan, PhD
That.

01;16;36;20 - 01;16;40;28
Adrian Bejan, PhD
Might arrive too soon. Simple as that.

01;16;41;21 - 01;16;43;03
Adrian Bejan, PhD
Hmm. Mm hmm. Yeah.

01;16;43;03 - 01;17;02;25
Brian "Ponch" Rivera
Yeah. You have a fantastic I'm going to pull a quote from your new book here. And it kind of encapsulates a lot of things. We already talked about, but it's under the lockdown. I am like a dog. I wear a muzzle, I have a certificate that I have been vaccinated and I need permission to leave my. They say.

01;17;03;12 - 01;17;05;12
Adrian Bejan, PhD
Yeah, but that you.

01;17;05;13 - 01;17;13;11
Adrian Bejan, PhD
You the not this pronoun is the first half of that joke. First was my father.

01;17;13;26 - 01;17;15;09
Adrian Bejan, PhD
Who was.

01;17;15;09 - 01;17;23;25
Adrian Bejan, PhD
Constantly my father has been imprisoned by the regime. Okay. So when he was.

01;17;24;16 - 01;17;24;25
Adrian Bejan, PhD
Out.

01;17;24;25 - 01;17;42;15
Adrian Bejan, PhD
Of incarceration he was free man, because they could not do worse things to him. So he kept going around and asking the neighbor or telling the neighbor to, look in the eyes of the dog, because the dog, even though the dog does.

01;17;42;15 - 01;17;43;25
Adrian Bejan, PhD
Not speak.

01;17;44;12 - 01;17;48;05
Adrian Bejan, PhD
The dog, it tells the owner, I want to be free.

01;17;48;09 - 01;17;48;23
Adrian Bejan, PhD
Okay.

01;17;49;19 - 01;17;53;27
Adrian Bejan, PhD
So that was the beginning of that. And the.

01;17;54;15 - 01;17;54;26
Adrian Bejan, PhD
The.

01;17;56;19 - 01;18;00;16
Adrian Bejan, PhD
The portion that Jerry cited came from a classmate of.

01;18;00;16 - 01;18;01;11
Adrian Bejan, PhD
Mine who.

01;18;02;07 - 01;18;03;25
Adrian Bejan, PhD
Did not live in Romania.

01;18;04;17 - 01;18;05;23
Adrian Bejan, PhD
Who was.

01;18;05;23 - 01;18;09;13
Adrian Bejan, PhD
Telling, in fact, the same joke in the reverse.

01;18;10;13 - 01;18;10;22
Adrian Bejan, PhD
This.

01;18;10;22 - 01;18;20;25
Adrian Bejan, PhD
Time, meaning the lockdown had deprived the citizen of freedom and using the dog as a.

01;18;21;10 - 01;18;21;21
Adrian Bejan, PhD
As.

01;18;21;21 - 01;18;24;11
Adrian Bejan, PhD
A let's go like in a fable.

01;18;25;02 - 01;18;25;19
Adrian Bejan, PhD
There was a.

01;18;25;28 - 01;18;35;08
Adrian Bejan, PhD
Is a personal. So I think that's very the way it was. And as I was joking earlier, some people.

01;18;36;03 - 01;18;36;11
Adrian Bejan, PhD
During.

01;18;36;11 - 01;18;45;03
Adrian Bejan, PhD
The lockdown took the bait and they are still addicted to it today. They are not coming to the office.

01;18;46;18 - 01;18;47;05
Adrian Bejan, PhD
And.

01;18;47;28 - 01;19;01;13
Adrian Bejan, PhD
While preaching the importance of togetherness, others, Adrian, I kept pinching my way. Even without an audience. I lecture with the chalk on the blackboard.

01;19;02;23 - 01;19;03;07
Adrian Bejan, PhD
And then.

01;19;03;07 - 01;19;03;16
Adrian Bejan, PhD
My.

01;19;04;15 - 01;19;05;05
Adrian Bejan, PhD
Maya.

01;19;05;21 - 01;19;13;28
Adrian Bejan, PhD
Productions were filmed. And then I showed these, these, let's call them live performances through my to my students.

01;19;14;18 - 01;19;15;02
Adrian Bejan, PhD
Via.

01;19;15;06 - 01;19;22;27
Adrian Bejan, PhD
Zoom. I quit doing that as soon as joke was reopened. The point is that.

01;19;23;20 - 01;19;24;02
Adrian Bejan, PhD
They.

01;19;24;24 - 01;19;42;02
Adrian Bejan, PhD
In the beginning of the lockdown, there are very few people driving their cars. And so they were at home and they started to walk around the neighborhood and they saw their neighbors. They met.

01;19;42;02 - 01;19;42;17
Adrian Bejan, PhD
The.

01;19;43;05 - 01;19;45;27
Adrian Bejan, PhD
Not only people, but they met their dogs.

01;19;45;27 - 01;19;47;06
Adrian Bejan, PhD
And they.

01;19;47;06 - 01;19;49;21
Adrian Bejan, PhD
Discover that around the house there.

01;19;50;04 - 01;19;50;07
Adrian Bejan, PhD
Are.

01;19;50;14 - 01;19;53;09
Adrian Bejan, PhD
Everything from flowers and birds to ants.

01;19;53;19 - 01;19;54;05
Adrian Bejan, PhD
And.

01;19;55;14 - 01;20;01;17
Adrian Bejan, PhD
Yellow jackets and all sorts of other things that previously were going unnoticed. So this burst of.

01;20;01;17 - 01;20;02;09
Adrian Bejan, PhD
Novelty.

01;20;04;12 - 01;20;07;04
Adrian Bejan, PhD
Gave people the impression that time slowed.

01;20;07;04 - 01;20;07;18
Adrian Bejan, PhD
Down.

01;20;09;05 - 01;20;28;17
Adrian Bejan, PhD
And they were chatting about it on the on the Web. But by this time I already had a I was in the news with my discovery of the physics of the slowing down of time and journalists were calling me to explain why this happened in the so that's how.

01;20;30;01 - 01;20;30;16
Adrian Bejan, PhD
The.

01;20;31;18 - 01;21;14;19
Adrian Bejan, PhD
The last third of this book was written was written during the pandemic with the at that time life experience of time slowing down. Except that time accelerated again about two or three weeks later because everybody got used to a new routine. So people had with them. I even the gait, you know, the frequency of our work is a routine that benefits the individual is the same with with getting out of bed and brushing your teeth and the, you know, setting the table and then cleaning the table and then going back to bed.

01;21;14;19 - 01;21;16;08
Adrian Bejan, PhD
It's a it's a routine that's.

01;21;16;12 - 01;21;17;03
Adrian Bejan, PhD
Perfected.

01;21;19;03 - 01;21;22;04
Adrian Bejan, PhD
By the person during the lifetime.

01;21;22;20 - 01;21;23;20
Adrian Bejan, PhD
And it.

01;21;23;20 - 01;21;24;24
Adrian Bejan, PhD
Has the effect of.

01;21;25;19 - 01;21;26;00
Adrian Bejan, PhD
Of.

01;21;27;07 - 01;21;35;19
Adrian Bejan, PhD
Making this modern time flow faster and faster. And so that's the story, incidentally.

01;21;35;29 - 01;21;37;01
Adrian Bejan, PhD
In in.

01;21;37;01 - 01;21;39;16
Adrian Bejan, PhD
The life of the creative.

01;21;39;16 - 01;21;41;07
Adrian Bejan, PhD
Of individuals.

01;21;41;07 - 01;21;42;15
Adrian Bejan, PhD
Such as the two of you.

01;21;42;16 - 01;21;45;12
Adrian Bejan, PhD
With your with your with.

01;21;45;12 - 01;21;47;03
Adrian Bejan, PhD
Your show.

01;21;47;03 - 01;21;47;17
Adrian Bejan, PhD
Your.

01;21;47;26 - 01;22;12;19
Adrian Bejan, PhD
Creating, your presenting from episode to episode, the different points of view. This is fact, the, the antidote to the one who is sick and retreated to the couch. The the couch potato. If that individual wants to slow down.

01;22;13;00 - 01;22;13;15
Adrian Bejan, PhD
The.

01;22;13;26 - 01;22;24;01
Adrian Bejan, PhD
The passing of his time, then they should do he should do more and more different things, diverse things, surprising things.

01;22;24;15 - 01;22;24;20
Adrian Bejan, PhD
You.

01;22;24;20 - 01;22;32;19
Adrian Bejan, PhD
Can surprise yourself by. First of all, by getting off the couch even more basic, you're going to surprise yourself.

01;22;33;12 - 01;22;33;21
Adrian Bejan, PhD
By.

01;22;33;21 - 01;22;40;08
Adrian Bejan, PhD
Deciding to say goodbye to your previous routine existence, you know?

01;22;40;24 - 01;22;41;05
Adrian Bejan, PhD
Right.

01;22;41;05 - 01;22;44;01
Adrian Bejan, PhD
I'm not telling you to go and jump off the cliff.

01;22;44;16 - 01;22;45;08
Adrian Bejan, PhD
Or off.

01;22;45;08 - 01;22;45;12
Adrian Bejan, PhD
The.

01;22;45;12 - 01;22;51;23
Adrian Bejan, PhD
Balcony. I'm just saying stop. Stop being boring. You're good.

01;22;52;13 - 01;23;08;26
Brian "Ponch" Rivera
You point out in the book that new experiences are the prescription for slowing down time. And on this going back to basketball, my daughter was asking me about this and I mentioned to her that in the morning you can wake up and do your routines, but with your left hand. And she's like, What's that going to do for me, well, slow down time?

01;23;08;26 - 01;23;10;21
Brian "Ponch" Rivera
It will make you a better basketball player, right?

01;23;10;22 - 01;23;12;19
Adrian Bejan, PhD
That's right. That's right. That's absolutely.

01;23;12;24 - 01;23;13;05
Adrian Bejan, PhD
That's.

01;23;13;07 - 01;23;23;27
Adrian Bejan, PhD
That's that is that and and do that where it put your fork and in the other hand whatever you're doing.

01;23;24;12 - 01;23;24;23
Adrian Bejan, PhD
I.

01;23;24;23 - 01;23;27;05
Adrian Bejan, PhD
Wish I could write with my left hand, but I can't.

01;23;28;13 - 01;23;28;23
Adrian Bejan, PhD
But.

01;23;28;23 - 01;23;35;08
Adrian Bejan, PhD
Doing things say jokingly.

01;23;35;25 - 01;23;36;09
Adrian Bejan, PhD
In an.

01;23;36;09 - 01;23;40;00
Adrian Bejan, PhD
Unusual way is is good for.

01;23;40;00 - 01;23;42;25
Adrian Bejan, PhD
You is good for you. And in fact, the you.

01;23;42;25 - 01;23;45;26
Adrian Bejan, PhD
See this sort of attitude in the.

01;23;46;21 - 01;23;47;03
Adrian Bejan, PhD
In.

01;23;47;12 - 01;23;52;13
Adrian Bejan, PhD
The most creative types out there, say a painter like Salvador Dali was.

01;23;53;00 - 01;23;53;13
Adrian Bejan, PhD
Was.

01;23;54;06 - 01;24;16;23
Adrian Bejan, PhD
You know, people thought he was crazy, but he was having fun with or another one, Matisse. People thought that he was simply wrong. Wrong about what? He was failing. Well, no, no, no, he wasn't. He was simply a thinking inside the box to jump out of the box.

01;24;17;12 - 01;24;17;28
Adrian Bejan, PhD
That was.

01;24;18;28 - 01;24;19;20
Adrian Bejan, PhD
Because it made.

01;24;19;20 - 01;24;24;03
Adrian Bejan, PhD
Him it made him happier. You see. And so.

01;24;26;13 - 01;24;31;18
Adrian Bejan, PhD
Happiness, though, that's another perception that also comes from.

01;24;32;21 - 01;24;32;29
Adrian Bejan, PhD
Having.

01;24;32;29 - 01;24;35;14
Adrian Bejan, PhD
Gotten to the beauty, because that's the.

01;24;35;26 - 01;24;36;02
Adrian Bejan, PhD
The.

01;24;36;02 - 01;24;36;14
Adrian Bejan, PhD
Mother.

01;24;36;14 - 01;24;37;18
Adrian Bejan, PhD
Of all of.

01;24;38;10 - 01;24;38;28
Adrian Bejan, PhD
This other.

01;24;38;28 - 01;24;40;00
Adrian Bejan, PhD
Aspect or.

01;24;40;00 - 01;24;40;10
Adrian Bejan, PhD
This.

01;24;40;17 - 01;24;41;28
Adrian Bejan, PhD
Other the.

01;24;42;17 - 01;24;48;05
Adrian Bejan, PhD
So-Called intangible beauty is another thing that we perceive.

01;24;48;26 - 01;24;49;09
Adrian Bejan, PhD
Without.

01;24;49;09 - 01;24;56;20
Adrian Bejan, PhD
Thinking, but we speed walk toward it. It has to do with the the fact that some images.

01;24;56;20 - 01;25;00;10
Adrian Bejan, PhD
Are faster to.

01;25;00;10 - 01;25;01;25
Adrian Bejan, PhD
Scan than others.

01;25;02;07 - 01;25;03;03
Adrian Bejan, PhD
And the.

01;25;03;10 - 01;25;17;12
Adrian Bejan, PhD
Images are two dimensional. They look like the the piece of paper, the page above the page could be tall or shallow looking. And it turns out that the first the scan, the.

01;25;17;12 - 01;25;18;01
Adrian Bejan, PhD
Shape.

01;25;18;14 - 01;25;21;05
Adrian Bejan, PhD
Is the shape of the business card.

01;25;21;09 - 01;25;22;02
Adrian Bejan, PhD
Or the.

01;25;22;20 - 01;25;30;09
Adrian Bejan, PhD
The shape of the computer or the cinema screen much earlier. And so.

01;25;31;14 - 01;25;31;25
Adrian Bejan, PhD
And the.

01;25;31;26 - 01;25;34;09
Adrian Bejan, PhD
One could show with very, very simple.

01;25;35;13 - 01;25;35;17
Adrian Bejan, PhD
I.

01;25;35;17 - 01;25;43;20
Adrian Bejan, PhD
Wouldn't even call it mathematics argument that this is the shape that's scanned. The first is by the two.

01;25;43;29 - 01;25;44;16
Adrian Bejan, PhD
Human.

01;25;44;16 - 01;25;47;17
Adrian Bejan, PhD
Eyes. I because you see it in the design of.

01;25;47;17 - 01;25;47;27
Adrian Bejan, PhD
The.

01;25;48;28 - 01;25;58;19
Adrian Bejan, PhD
Binocular field of vision. So when you go in safari, they want to see in front of you is as I horizontally flood the.

01;25;58;19 - 01;25;59;01
Adrian Bejan, PhD
Image.

01;25;59;25 - 01;26;04;09
Adrian Bejan, PhD
Because the world is flat so that basically they.

01;26;04;22 - 01;26;05;01
Adrian Bejan, PhD
The.

01;26;05;08 - 01;26;06;11
Adrian Bejan, PhD
The reason why.

01;26;07;10 - 01;26;08;20
Adrian Bejan, PhD
The eyes.

01;26;08;21 - 01;26;20;16
Adrian Bejan, PhD
The two eyes of the animal with vision are aligned with the horizontal with a horizon. So it is because it empowers the.

01;26;20;16 - 01;26;21;06
Adrian Bejan, PhD
Animal.

01;26;21;18 - 01;26;28;02
Adrian Bejan, PhD
To have access to to the danger that's about to put an end animal life.

01;26;29;18 - 01;26;30;06
Adrian Bejan, PhD
Is.

01;26;30;06 - 01;26;43;03
Adrian Bejan, PhD
Useful to know things faster, to progress them faster. The danger, the food source, the mate in the shoulder, all these.

01;26;43;25 - 01;26;44;06
Adrian Bejan, PhD
Are.

01;26;44;06 - 01;26;46;01
Adrian Bejan, PhD
About access.

01;26;46;19 - 01;26;47;02
Adrian Bejan, PhD
Allah.

01;26;47;05 - 01;26;52;12
Adrian Bejan, PhD
Construct the low and it's an evolutionary design. The one that I am describing because.

01;26;53;18 - 01;26;54;07
Adrian Bejan, PhD
Before.

01;26;55;00 - 01;26;56;12
Adrian Bejan, PhD
Animal vision.

01;26;56;26 - 01;26;57;07
Adrian Bejan, PhD
Uh.

01;26;57;25 - 01;27;10;18
Adrian Bejan, PhD
There were, there were, there were a lot fewer animals. There were dramatically incomprehensibly fewer animals. Animals, as we know them, started to appear.

01;27;11;04 - 01;27;11;16
Adrian Bejan, PhD
Only.

01;27;11;16 - 01;27;12;04
Adrian Bejan, PhD
After.

01;27;12;04 - 01;27;13;23
Adrian Bejan, PhD
The eye appeared.

01;27;14;19 - 01;27;23;29
Adrian Bejan, PhD
There was a 560 million years ago. It's also known as the Cambrian Explosion. That is when the the most common.

01;27;24;17 - 01;27;26;08
Adrian Bejan, PhD
Creatures that.

01;27;26;08 - 01;27;29;09
Adrian Bejan, PhD
Are in process emerged and they emerged.

01;27;29;09 - 01;27;30;23
Adrian Bejan, PhD
Because of a.

01;27;31;01 - 01;27;34;28
Adrian Bejan, PhD
Vision, which means obviously safer.

01;27;34;28 - 01;27;35;12
Adrian Bejan, PhD
Life.

01;27;36;16 - 01;27;47;10
Adrian Bejan, PhD
Easier to access food and all the other things. And of course, locomotion And speed, speed because the bird incidentally is.

01;27;48;06 - 01;27;48;18
Adrian Bejan, PhD
Is.

01;27;48;18 - 01;27;49;16
Adrian Bejan, PhD
Equipped with.

01;27;49;16 - 01;27;49;27
Adrian Bejan, PhD
The.

01;27;50;16 - 01;27;57;14
Adrian Bejan, PhD
With was the very good eyes because it is also equipped with a high speed.

01;27;58;13 - 01;27;58;21
Adrian Bejan, PhD
Is.

01;27;58;21 - 01;28;21;23
Adrian Bejan, PhD
Just like in aviation in aviation it was only after radar was sure this so another form of vision the much deeper distance that the the space that we all know today became possible. That's right. Think about.

01;28;21;23 - 01;28;26;09
Adrian Bejan, PhD
It. That's right. Thank you.

01;28;26;12 - 01;28;33;07
Adrian Bejan, PhD
So that's the the the the wonders of, say, the man made with the.

01;28;34;09 - 01;28;34;16
Adrian Bejan, PhD
Were.

01;28;34;17 - 01;28;57;04
Adrian Bejan, PhD
The so-called not manmade or the so-called natural evolution of design. All these things in this particular case, including animals, animals, just the people are attracted to them. Images that are easier to be perceived.

01;28;57;04 - 01;28;58;00
Adrian Bejan, PhD
Yeah, images.

01;28;58;01 - 01;28;58;28
Brian "Ponch" Rivera
And that has to do with.

01;28;59;20 - 01;29;00;28
Adrian Bejan, PhD
They don't give you a headache.

01;29;01;13 - 01;29;14;13
Brian "Ponch" Rivera
Right. So, so the number, you know, V comes up 1.618. There's some geometry involved in all this. But is this this what you're looking at or this? What we're talking about is the the proportion of the height versus the length.

01;29;15;05 - 01;29;24;26
Adrian Bejan, PhD
Correct. So the business card, is it not all business cards are all the exactly the same shape, just like the computer screens.

01;29;25;06 - 01;29;28;17
Adrian Bejan, PhD
All of them are broadly speaking.

01;29;29;04 - 01;29;47;21
Adrian Bejan, PhD
Shapes such as the the horizontal dimension is roughly 50% longer. The vertical direction that is the that is the shape. The other number you mentioned, in other words, is at three divided by two, meaning like the by height is three divided by two.

01;29;48;04 - 01;29;49;07
Adrian Bejan, PhD
Approximately.

01;29;49;21 - 01;29;51;01
Adrian Bejan, PhD
The other number you.

01;29;51;12 - 01;29;51;24
Adrian Bejan, PhD
You.

01;29;51;28 - 01;30;16;14
Adrian Bejan, PhD
You read the was 1.618. And there's an infinite number of digits after that. The number is irrational, meaning cannot be expressed as the ratio of a to other integers, and that the number is known as the golden ratio or the divine proportion. And here, thank you for bringing it up because it gives me a chance to talk about religion.

01;30;17;08 - 01;30;22;16
Adrian Bejan, PhD
In and in good terms about religion. The, um.

01;30;23;24 - 01;30;28;19
Adrian Bejan, PhD
The, that is when the architecture became.

01;30;28;22 - 01;30;29;01
Adrian Bejan, PhD
A.

01;30;30;15 - 01;30;33;25
Adrian Bejan, PhD
Solidly suddenly this the as this today.

01;30;34;05 - 01;30;34;27
Adrian Bejan, PhD
Architecture.

01;30;34;27 - 01;31;06;08
Adrian Bejan, PhD
Was a book of science during the Romans but it did Renaissance. There are artists and architects observed that the certain facades look the more attractive and the more permanent because of their attractiveness than other facades. So in the same with paintings, incidentally, the paintings in our galleries are shaped like their business card.

01;31;06;22 - 01;31;08;21
Adrian Bejan, PhD
So they are.

01;31;08;29 - 01;31;19;11
Adrian Bejan, PhD
They refer to this common occurrence as the divine proportion, and they did. So first of all, it was real. There's no argument about.

01;31;19;11 - 01;31;20;28
Adrian Bejan, PhD
How how.

01;31;20;28 - 01;31;30;29
Adrian Bejan, PhD
Attractive it was. It was beautiful. But since there is no scientific explanation, they attributed their occurrence to the.

01;31;31;14 - 01;31;33;10
Adrian Bejan, PhD
Will of God.

01;31;33;10 - 01;31;34;17
Adrian Bejan, PhD
Divine proportion.

01;31;35;12 - 01;31;36;08
Adrian Bejan, PhD
And, um.

01;31;36;19 - 01;31;56;25
Adrian Bejan, PhD
And that is in fact, not the only or the first time that the, the, the you know religion gave us very good advice and ideas of what is good, what is attractive. In fact, we know about the the prime mover from.

01;31;57;20 - 01;31;58;02
Adrian Bejan, PhD
From.

01;31;58;08 - 01;32;04;24
Adrian Bejan, PhD
From the Bible meaning in the 12 movement you need the, you know, the source of power that.

01;32;06;15 - 01;32;08;26
Adrian Bejan, PhD
And but the.

01;32;08;27 - 01;32;23;04
Adrian Bejan, PhD
Absent absence science then the religion filled the filled the void and obviously provided the language. So to this day, to this day, we are.

01;32;23;19 - 01;32;24;00
Adrian Bejan, PhD
We.

01;32;24;00 - 01;32;24;23
Adrian Bejan, PhD
Are we have.

01;32;25;13 - 01;32;27;21
Adrian Bejan, PhD
We have when.

01;32;27;21 - 01;32;55;14
Adrian Bejan, PhD
The when in need we use terms and other let's call them artifacts from a religion in order to get our our point across. I have in the book many examples of this sort of thing today in science, people talk seriously about creatures. Creatures, right? They are creationist, but they they they use the.

01;32;55;14 - 01;32;55;27
Adrian Bejan, PhD
Word.

01;32;56;18 - 01;33;06;23
Adrian Bejan, PhD
People at the graduation. They wear the the regalia. Regalia. That's from the Catholic Church. It is.

01;33;07;17 - 01;33;08;09
Adrian Bejan, PhD
Revered.

01;33;08;09 - 01;33;14;15
Adrian Bejan, PhD
It is, you know, a coveted embrace, the valued, the all of this.

01;33;16;20 - 01;33;17;07
Adrian Bejan, PhD
The.

01;33;17;26 - 01;33;28;27
Adrian Bejan, PhD
Many universities that top the top administrator and school chancellor, my atop the head of the engineering school.

01;33;28;28 - 01;33;30;02
Adrian Bejan, PhD
Is go Dean.

01;33;30;19 - 01;33;32;09
Adrian Bejan, PhD
They know these are religious.

01;33;32;09 - 01;33;32;23
Adrian Bejan, PhD
Terms.

01;33;34;12 - 01;33;54;09
Adrian Bejan, PhD
And even even the president the president is actually used to be the number two in the in the college, they say Cambridge was in charge of the mass mass before dinner.

01;33;54;20 - 01;33;55;09
Adrian Bejan, PhD
In the.

01;33;55;25 - 01;33;58;06
Adrian Bejan, PhD
In the college. That's right.

01;33;58;18 - 01;33;58;25
Adrian Bejan, PhD
Yeah.

01;33;59;02 - 01;34;00;15
Adrian Bejan, PhD
So the president.

01;34;01;06 - 01;34;02;29
Adrian Bejan, PhD
In the in.

01;34;03;06 - 01;34;05;17
Adrian Bejan, PhD
Cambridge at Oxford was the number two.

01;34;07;03 - 01;34;07;16
Adrian Bejan, PhD
Yeah.

01;34;08;03 - 01;34;10;08
Adrian Bejan, PhD
There we go. Mother number one. The number.

01;34;10;08 - 01;34;10;18
Adrian Bejan, PhD
Two.

01;34;12;14 - 01;34;15;02
Adrian Bejan, PhD
They'll tell you this. Were put in put in.

01;34;15;22 - 01;34;18;06
Adrian Bejan, PhD
According to according to.

01;34;18;17 - 01;34;20;07
Adrian Bejan, PhD
To the chapel at the.

01;34;20;07 - 01;34;21;06
Adrian Bejan, PhD
In maudlin.

01;34;21;06 - 01;34;23;02
Adrian Bejan, PhD
College is number.

01;34;23;02 - 01;34;25;16
Adrian Bejan, PhD
Two number one the.

01;34;25;16 - 01;34;27;01
Adrian Bejan, PhD
Number one is called master.

01;34;27;29 - 01;34;29;23
Adrian Bejan, PhD
Master.

01;34;29;23 - 01;34;33;09
Adrian Bejan, PhD
And you got to look. So we speak.

01;34;33;18 - 01;34;34;13
Adrian Bejan, PhD
We speak.

01;34;36;03 - 01;34;40;17
Adrian Bejan, PhD
Words that have been have been helping concepts that have been.

01;34;40;28 - 01;34;41;18
Adrian Bejan, PhD
Helpful.

01;34;43;09 - 01;34;51;04
Adrian Bejan, PhD
For many, many generations. And though we are better for it with the sort of.

01;34;51;20 - 01;34;52;22
Adrian Bejan, PhD
With the.

01;34;52;22 - 01;34;54;00
Adrian Bejan, PhD
Scholarship military.

01;34;54;16 - 01;34;56;22
Adrian Bejan, PhD
We would be this.

01;34;56;23 - 01;34;59;29
Adrian Bejan, PhD
Foolish as those who fall for these.

01;35;01;05 - 01;35;01;23
Adrian Bejan, PhD
Know it.

01;35;01;23 - 01;35;12;05
Adrian Bejan, PhD
Also who are described by us a little bit earlier, the ones who were meaning they're the children, easy money and they're really ready made food.

01;35;12;05 - 01;35;12;17
Adrian Bejan, PhD
Okay.

01;35;13;03 - 01;35;13;26
Brian "Ponch" Rivera
Yeah, yeah.

01;35;14;06 - 01;35;15;08
Speaker 4
The fatal conceit.

01;35;15;08 - 01;35;37;15
Adrian Bejan, PhD
Yeah, yeah, that's right. Yeah. But once again, the fable is. But unfortunately, it applies to others who are not responsible for the mistake victims. The victims are. This is really sad. The victims like from the Cultural Revolution and like in China to the Cambodian poor.

01;35;37;15 - 01;35;38;26
Adrian Bejan, PhD
But um.

01;35;39;10 - 01;35;44;11
Adrian Bejan, PhD
Not to mention all the, um, you know, the death camps and labor camps in Eastern Europe.

01;35;44;24 - 01;35;45;07
Adrian Bejan, PhD
Uh.

01;35;45;26 - 01;35;49;02
Adrian Bejan, PhD
The victims have been silenced.

01;35;49;24 - 01;35;50;05
Brian "Ponch" Rivera
Right?

01;35;50;23 - 01;35;52;18
Speaker 4
That's the road to serfdom. Two or three.

01;35;52;19 - 01;35;53;12
Adrian Bejan, PhD
Absolutely.

01;35;53;28 - 01;35;57;24
Adrian Bejan, PhD
The on. Yeah, that's right. Yeah.

01;35;59;04 - 01;36;03;28
Speaker 4
Hayek is Fatal Conceit and Road to Serfdom. Okay. 3/10 of knowledge. Yeah.

01;36;03;28 - 01;36;12;22
Adrian Bejan, PhD
Well, thank you for for connecting in my work to that. That's that's something I was, I did not know until very recently.

01;36;13;04 - 01;36;15;18
Adrian Bejan, PhD
The fact I.

01;36;15;18 - 01;36;23;28
Speaker 4
Think I would I would love to sit in a room and listen to you and Friedrich Hayek talk, because, you know, he's coming at this similar things from an economic standpoint. It's you know.

01;36;23;28 - 01;36;25;24
Adrian Bejan, PhD
But I'm personally dead. I mean there's.

01;36;26;00 - 01;36;27;12
Speaker 4
Yeah. Know I know.

01;36;27;24 - 01;36;48;04
Brian "Ponch" Rivera
We're laughing at that but in a good way. So this this brings up an interesting point and that is in our correspondents over the last couple of weeks, you pointed out that you don't necessarily read a lot what's going on in other domains. And I'm not saying that's a bad thing at all. But by the way, I think it I think it's very valuable because it keeps your work.

01;36;48;10 - 01;36;56;09
Brian "Ponch" Rivera
I hate to say pure and you're not anchored by anything. I just want to get your thoughts on why you're why you don't explore other domains.

01;36;58;01 - 01;37;01;28
Adrian Bejan, PhD
I explore, but I don't read other people's stuff.

01;37;02;10 - 01;37;02;29
Adrian Bejan, PhD
Oh, okay.

01;37;03;08 - 01;37;19;29
Adrian Bejan, PhD
I'm not. As I told you, this goes back a long, a long, long way. Where I come from, Brian, there is very little that or worth that was worth reading. Most of it was bullshit.

01;37;21;01 - 01;37;21;11
Brian "Ponch" Rivera
Okay.

01;37;22;00 - 01;37;22;12
Adrian Bejan, PhD
Uh.

01;37;22;26 - 01;37;27;23
Adrian Bejan, PhD
Here is the. We are going from the locker room.

01;37;27;23 - 01;37;30;00
Adrian Bejan, PhD
Yeah. Why?

01;37;31;00 - 01;37;34;22
Adrian Bejan, PhD
We are reading incessantly.

01;37;34;22 - 01;37;35;04
Adrian Bejan, PhD
Uh.

01;37;35;13 - 01;37;39;18
Adrian Bejan, PhD
The there is only one sports newspaper. This is why I knew about.

01;37;39;18 - 01;37;39;28
Adrian Bejan, PhD
The.

01;37;40;18 - 01;37;43;03
Adrian Bejan, PhD
The NBA, you know, Bob Cousy and everybody.

01;37;43;29 - 01;37;48;00
Adrian Bejan, PhD
All right. Reading that every letter, especially.

01;37;48;00 - 01;37;48;08
Adrian Bejan, PhD
One.

01;37;48;20 - 01;37;49;29
Adrian Bejan, PhD
On the road trips.

01;37;50;20 - 01;38;00;07
Adrian Bejan, PhD
And the question is why? Why is this singular newspaper the most popular in Romania?

01;38;01;11 - 01;38;04;02
Adrian Bejan, PhD
Why it is.

01;38;04;02 - 01;38;09;03
Adrian Bejan, PhD
Because it is the only newspaper in which the news is not.

01;38;09;16 - 01;38;10;08
Adrian Bejan, PhD
Known.

01;38;10;08 - 01;38;13;01
Adrian Bejan, PhD
Beforehand.

01;38;13;01 - 01;38;13;20
Adrian Bejan, PhD
There you go.

01;38;14;01 - 01;38;14;17
Brian "Ponch" Rivera
There you go.

01;38;15;07 - 01;38;22;05
Adrian Bejan, PhD
The depth of the bullshit was so. So the scroll or pressing that the.

01;38;23;15 - 01;38;25;05
Adrian Bejan, PhD
Youngster's speed.

01;38;25;05 - 01;38;34;24
Adrian Bejan, PhD
Walked away from it. And so I was not reading. I was reading, of course, the novels of my parents, you know, everything by Jules Verne.

01;38;35;02 - 01;38;36;15
Adrian Bejan, PhD
And all.

01;38;36;15 - 01;38;37;16
Adrian Bejan, PhD
Of those, and.

01;38;37;16 - 01;38;37;28
Adrian Bejan, PhD
The.

01;38;39;09 - 01;38;45;11
Adrian Bejan, PhD
Fantastic fairy tales from from German authors, the Brothers Grimm.

01;38;45;11 - 01;38;45;29
Adrian Bejan, PhD
And the.

01;38;46;14 - 01;38;53;07
Adrian Bejan, PhD
Huns. That sounds good. Scott Anderson from Denmark. Fables or La Fontaine.

01;38;53;07 - 01;38;54;14
Adrian Bejan, PhD
There are lots of.

01;38;54;27 - 01;39;01;11
Adrian Bejan, PhD
Fantastic books, but they were from before communism, but there are very few and there are a lot of those science.

01;39;01;11 - 01;39;02;12
Adrian Bejan, PhD
Okay, okay.

01;39;02;14 - 01;39;06;23
Adrian Bejan, PhD
So but they were to this day, they, they make my life.

01;39;06;23 - 01;39;08;17
Adrian Bejan, PhD
So beautiful.

01;39;08;17 - 01;39;09;08
Adrian Bejan, PhD
Because.

01;39;10;22 - 01;39;11;28
Adrian Bejan, PhD
There you go.

01;39;11;28 - 01;39;14;06
Adrian Bejan, PhD
There they are, easy to grasp.

01;39;14;14 - 01;39;16;04
Adrian Bejan, PhD
You see all the.

01;39;16;04 - 01;39;17;00
Speaker 4
Principles out.

01;39;17;08 - 01;39;18;14
Adrian Bejan, PhD
Their stride and.

01;39;19;17 - 01;39;21;22
Adrian Bejan, PhD
Oh, there.

01;39;21;22 - 01;39;30;26
Adrian Bejan, PhD
Are some other quotes from authors from from 1800s that in fact, they lost sort of color, their color. Our discussion, if we were to get into.

01;39;30;29 - 01;39;31;12
Adrian Bejan, PhD
Even.

01;39;32;01 - 01;39;37;17
Adrian Bejan, PhD
More deeply so it has to do with with the my origins.

01;39;38;11 - 01;39;38;19
Adrian Bejan, PhD
And.

01;39;38;19 - 01;39;39;08
Adrian Bejan, PhD
Then the.

01;39;41;03 - 01;39;41;06
Adrian Bejan, PhD
You.

01;39;41;23 - 01;39;48;07
Adrian Bejan, PhD
Know, back in the States I got lucky. I did. There was no time for bias. Absolute zero.

01;39;48;08 - 01;39;50;16
Adrian Bejan, PhD
Time.

01;39;50;16 - 01;40;14;00
Adrian Bejan, PhD
And that was an interesting period during the campus protests. They are the president of the faculty Senate at M.I.T. When he was elected, he was a professor of nuclear engineering. Believe it or not, my own professor was Thermomix alias Give to us, and he was.

01;40;14;17 - 01;40;16;02
Adrian Bejan, PhD
A very.

01;40;16;14 - 01;40;20;11
Adrian Bejan, PhD
Prominent and loud conservative in their minds. Okay.

01;40;21;06 - 01;40;21;18
Adrian Bejan, PhD
Yeah.

01;40;21;28 - 01;40;31;08
Adrian Bejan, PhD
So they left over to hunt with a whole army of hunters to find one another man to. But he was the president, okay?

01;40;31;25 - 01;40;34;02
Adrian Bejan, PhD
And and he was speaking.

01;40;34;05 - 01;41;07;23
Adrian Bejan, PhD
This is during the protests speaking. They are obviously one side of the argument in the middle of a very loud noise that is also unheard of. These those. And so that sort of situation was was really an invitation to doing that the most period of time, which was to learn the disciplines, to learn the disciplines, to be like this particular professor, to be a scholar was the were.

01;41;07;23 - 01;41;08;08
Adrian Bejan, PhD
True.

01;41;10;24 - 01;41;20;01
Adrian Bejan, PhD
Whereas as Victoria wrote to to change your lives. But the your.

01;41;20;01 - 01;41;20;28
Adrian Bejan, PhD
Roots you.

01;41;20;28 - 01;41;21;13
Adrian Bejan, PhD
Said right.

01;41;22;17 - 01;41;35;05
Speaker 4
Well what do you think could be a catalyst to sort of I don't want to say revert back to that but allow more freedom of inquiry and discussions around topics and things like what would be a what would be something that could move towards that.

01;41;36;01 - 01;41;39;28
Adrian Bejan, PhD
The only the only solution is exactly what you are doing.

01;41;40;07 - 01;41;43;24
Adrian Bejan, PhD
Is that's the only okay.

01;41;43;24 - 01;41;56;17
Adrian Bejan, PhD
What you are doing and what I'm doing, which is not to keep quiet and to talk about to talk about the fact that the questioning is key not to.

01;41;57;13 - 01;41;57;25
Adrian Bejan, PhD
So.

01;41;59;09 - 01;42;09;14
Adrian Bejan, PhD
Basically swallow things without understanding them. But certainly you should question everything that that is being thrown at you.

01;42;09;28 - 01;42;10;02
Adrian Bejan, PhD
Right.

01;42;10;26 - 01;42;15;16
Adrian Bejan, PhD
And you have a choice. You have a choice, though, to sit in a room and.

01;42;15;16 - 01;42;18;18
Adrian Bejan, PhD
Listen and or to work out.

01;42;18;18 - 01;42;45;10
Speaker 4
We might say if we challenge all assumptions or we have to beware of the doctrine becomes dogma and it becomes unchallengeable. Like some people wouldn't you challenge it? So we operate on the mantra of challenging all assumptions. So because we're, as you say, we're constantly evolving and in changing and things occur spontaneously and it's not set in stone.

01;42;45;11 - 01;42;51;01
Adrian Bejan, PhD
That is true. That is true. The questioning is also the questioning. You're questioning yourself.

01;42;51;01 - 01;42;51;11
Adrian Bejan, PhD
Right.

01;42;51;11 - 01;42;57;21
Adrian Bejan, PhD
But it's very important to be this is what I call the wall of humility or humbleness. You have to.

01;42;58;29 - 01;42;59;08
Adrian Bejan, PhD
Go.

01;42;59;29 - 01;43;01;23
Adrian Bejan, PhD
Again. This is sports again.

01;43;02;04 - 01;43;02;29
Adrian Bejan, PhD
You know.

01;43;03;11 - 01;43;04;29
Adrian Bejan, PhD
You know that you are not the best.

01;43;05;14 - 01;43;06;23
Adrian Bejan, PhD
Right? You know.

01;43;07;09 - 01;43;12;10
Adrian Bejan, PhD
You know that you might be better, but you know that there are others who could, in fact.

01;43;13;07 - 01;43;17;19
Adrian Bejan, PhD
Make you look really bad. So the.

01;43;19;04 - 01;43;20;07
Adrian Bejan, PhD
Bad was noble.

01;43;20;07 - 01;43;20;21
Adrian Bejan, PhD
About.

01;43;20;21 - 01;43;45;20
Adrian Bejan, PhD
You is that you're first of all trying and that you are no, you know, that you are not the you are not God. Okay, that's that's the visual mantra that is very, very old in the Western civilization. And and that the humility is, is a mystery to a lot of these people who preach from the higher.

01;43;46;06 - 01;43;46;27
Adrian Bejan, PhD
Higher.

01;43;47;17 - 01;43;48;22
Adrian Bejan, PhD
High mountains, you know.

01;43;49;04 - 01;44;12;14
Brian "Ponch" Rivera
Mm yeah. So Professor Bhajan, you are very much like the maverick that inspired us to create this, this podcast, and that's John Boyd. You're leading in places that most people aren't aware of. And I believe and I think Mark would agree with me on this, that your work connects to so much work that's out there. We'll do our best to make the connections for folks.

01;44;12;20 - 01;44;19;01
Brian "Ponch" Rivera
But is there anything that we could do for you or anything you want our listeners to know about before we close out the session?

01;44;20;05 - 01;44;25;09
Adrian Bejan, PhD
Well, persuade them to to read my work. I made the effort of.

01;44;26;06 - 01;44;26;17
Adrian Bejan, PhD
Of.

01;44;28;00 - 01;44;35;20
Adrian Bejan, PhD
This is most recently since more than 1010 years ago I made the effort of writing.

01;44;36;11 - 01;44;36;24
Adrian Bejan, PhD
Books.

01;44;36;24 - 01;44;48;08
Adrian Bejan, PhD
For the general audience. And so I have so far four of them. They are sequential, they are not.

01;44;49;01 - 01;44;49;04
Adrian Bejan, PhD
They.

01;44;49;06 - 01;44;55;12
Adrian Bejan, PhD
Are basically themselves an evolutionary design. They show how Adrianna's been.

01;44;55;12 - 01;44;55;28
Adrian Bejan, PhD
Learning.

01;44;56;21 - 01;45;02;11
Adrian Bejan, PhD
How to write for for honest people not for for those who.

01;45;03;21 - 01;45;04;10
Adrian Bejan, PhD
Do nothing.

01;45;04;18 - 01;45;26;23
Adrian Bejan, PhD
Sell as opposed to buying, namely academics. So you're so the audience is so welcome to to enter this conversation and to go read my books. The ones that you've been displaying design are nature, the physics of life and evolution and time and beauty.

01;45;28;00 - 01;45;28;23
Adrian Bejan, PhD
All of them.

01;45;30;13 - 01;45;37;18
Adrian Bejan, PhD
Come from a source, meaning Adrian, with a very, very unusual life. But I think that.

01;45;37;20 - 01;45;41;10
Adrian Bejan, PhD
The the.

01;45;41;11 - 01;45;51;27
Adrian Bejan, PhD
Unusual in my case is very important to your discussion, because I think probably the only one in the people with whom have you been talking.

01;45;52;22 - 01;45;53;13
Adrian Bejan, PhD
However.

01;45;54;21 - 01;46;01;23
Adrian Bejan, PhD
Have seen the life from both sides now, namely from no freedom to freedom.

01;46;02;02 - 01;46;03;15
Adrian Bejan, PhD
And I know the difference.

01;46;03;27 - 01;46;11;02
Adrian Bejan, PhD
It's a big difference. And the difference is the mother of design and the mother and therefore.

01;46;11;02 - 01;46;13;22
Adrian Bejan, PhD
The way of the.

01;46;13;22 - 01;46;29;19
Adrian Bejan, PhD
Soul and body of nature, freedom, the other art is not to be afraid to speak and shout the F word, freedom, not as a slogan, but as a.

01;46;29;19 - 01;46;30;05
Adrian Bejan, PhD
Fact.

01;46;31;03 - 01;46;35;00
Adrian Bejan, PhD
Like the butter on the slice of bread. Okay?

01;46;35;24 - 01;46;37;04
Adrian Bejan, PhD
Mm hmm.

01;46;37;04 - 01;46;44;08
Speaker 4
Well, our mission is to help help people improve their capacity for free and independent action so that that allows.

01;46;44;17 - 01;46;48;25
Adrian Bejan, PhD
Right? That's right. And that's up to you. It's up to.

01;46;49;11 - 01;46;49;23
Adrian Bejan, PhD
Us.

01;46;50;02 - 01;46;50;19
Adrian Bejan, PhD
That's right.

01;46;51;26 - 01;47;04;04
Brian "Ponch" Rivera
We want to thank you for your moral courage and participation on today's show. Amazing conversation. I know. I know. Mark and I could spend another week with you if possible, but I don't think we'll lose your house if.

01;47;04;08 - 01;47;07;01
Adrian Bejan, PhD
We do it. You. If you. If you miss me.

01;47;07;05 - 01;47;08;14
Adrian Bejan, PhD
Then let's talk again.

01;47;09;00 - 01;47;14;12
Brian "Ponch" Rivera
We will. If you don't mind coming back and talking on our show or sharing know on sites.

01;47;14;22 - 01;47;17;17
Adrian Bejan, PhD
No, I have a very good time. So.

01;47;18;09 - 01;47;20;21
Adrian Bejan, PhD
Yes, I'm about the way.

01;47;21;04 - 01;47;26;19
Adrian Bejan, PhD
You said you may. You may come to this conference in Turin next September.

01;47;27;11 - 01;47;27;24
Brian "Ponch" Rivera
That's right.

01;47;28;06 - 01;47;31;06
Adrian Bejan, PhD
Yeah. So that's the place.

01;47;31;06 - 01;47;31;17
Adrian Bejan, PhD
For.

01;47;32;11 - 01;47;34;05
Adrian Bejan, PhD
Two acts in the three dimensions.