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No Way Out
No Way Out: The #1 Podcast on John Boyd’s OODA Loop, The Flow System, and Navigating UncertaintySponsored by AGLX — a global network powering adaptive leadership, enterprise agility, and resilient teams in complex, high-stakes environments.Home to the deepest explorations of Colonel John R. Boyd’s OODA Loop (Observe–Orient–Decide–Act), Destruction and Creation, Patterns of Conflict — and the official voice of The Flow System, the modern evolution of Boyd’s ideas into complex adaptive systems, team-of-teams design, and achieving unbreakable flow.
140+ episodes | New episodes weekly We show how Boyd’s work, The Flow System, and AGLX’s real-world experience enable leaders, startups, militaries, and organizations to out-think, out-adapt, and out-maneuver in today’s chaotic VUCA world — from business strategy and cybersecurity to agile leadership, trading, sports, safety, mental health, and personal decision-making.Subscribe now for the clearest OODA Loop explanations, John Boyd breakdowns, and practical tools for navigating uncertainty available anywhere in 2025.
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Episodes
142 episodes
Beyond the Linear OODA Loop: Jon Becker Breaks Down Authentic OODA Loop
Explore the authentic OODA loop with Jon Becker on No Way Out Podcast – John Boyd's strategies for tactical leadership and decision makingFresh off Mark “Moose” McGrath’s viral appearance on The Debrief...
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Episode 142
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1:05:15
Unrestricted Decline: Debt, Inflation and The Road to Serfdom (w/ Max Borders)
What if the maps we’re all using are lying to us?In this episode we yank the curtain back and connect the dots most shows leave scattered: The “devouring mother” vs. “tyrannical father” archetypes now fighting for contro...
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Episode 141
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1:32:55
The REAL Story of the Snowmobile – John Boyd’s Famous Metaphor Comes to Life
A grain elevator turned upside down. A Chevy bumper cut in half. A Model T steering sector pulled from the yard. That’s not a lab; that’s the birth of the modern snowmobile—and the clearest proof that real creativity starts with what’s already ...
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Episode 140
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37:51
MEDEVAC to Mental Health: Ketamine – 80 % Suicidal Thoughts Gone in Days | Dr. Grundmann
What if relief wasn’t months away, but days? We sit down with ER physician and Ember Health cofounder Dr. Nico Grundmann to unpack how IV ketamine delivers fast, measurable change for people living with depression, PTSD, and suicidal thoughts—e...
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Episode 139
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1:20:21
From F-14 Tomcats to Toad Medicine: 1 Year Inside Ambio w/ Mark "Slider" Keller
Conor McGregor just put ibogaine and Ambio on the map with 5M+ views in 24 hours. Former Navy "TOPGUN" Mark “Slider” Keller (now an Ambio host who has guided 250+ veterans and first responders through treatment) joins his old OCS roommate Ponch...
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Episode 138
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1:25:02
Central Banks Bubble Machine vs. Mises & OODA Economics
Bubbles don’t start with hype.They start with money that was never earned through prior production.Frank Shostak walks us through the entire chain: how warehouse receipts became fiat, how suspension of redemption became “monetary pol...
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Episode 137
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1:20:28
From Cockpit to Hardwood: OODA Loop & CLA Basketball with David Cochrane
A roaring flyover sets the tone for a fast, high-stakes conversation: how do we turn clean drills into game-winning decisions? We sit down with Coach David Cochrane to map the OODA loop—Observe, Orient, Decide, Act—onto basketball in a way that...
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Episode 136
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1:02:55
Polynon Theory: Tib Roibu on Cognitive Gravity & Boyd's OODA Loop
What if thought has shape—and that shape guides what we notice, believe, and decide?In this mind-expanding episode of No Way Out Podcast, Romanian researcher Tib Roibu unveils Polynon Theory—a revolutionary ...
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Episode 135
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1:09:28
OODA in Sports Coaching: Constraints-Led Approach (CLA) Insights
Rob Gray, PhD on Constraints-Led Approach (CLA) in Sports CoachingDive deep into Col. John Boyd’s OODA Loop through the Constraints Led Approach (CLA) with Rob Gray (Arizona State University, Perception-Action Podcast). Dis...
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Episode 134
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1:09:36
Agentic AI Thinks Like Boyd: The OODA Upgrade LLMs Can’t Touch
🎖️ **Royal Marine Commando Ben Ford** (software engineer, Haskell/category theory) joins *No Way Out* to expose the **OODA loop myth** most AI devs still believe. 🔥 **Agentic AI runs John Boyd’s *real* OODA** — not the linear "obse...
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Episode 133
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1:17:50
Real-Time Policing in Chicagoland: Real OODA With Lou Hayes, Jr
Momentum favors those who move first. We sit down with Lou Hayes to trace how real-time crime centers (RTCC) rooftop drones, and secure collaboration tools are compressing response times from minutes to seconds—and what that means on the street...
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Episode 132
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1:19:25
Naval Power in Action with CAPT Brent Sadler, USN (Ret.)
Ponch and Moose connect with Brent Sadler, a retired U.S. Navy Captain and Senior Fellow at the Heritage Foundation, discussi...
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Episode 131
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1:25:32
Spatial Web + Active Inference: Beyond LLMs | Dan Mapes
🌐 **Spatial Web + Active Inference = Intelligent Planet** Dan Mapes (Versus AI, Spatial Web Foundation) joins *No Way Out* to **destroy LLM myths** and reveal **FEP-powered 3D web**What if the web didn’t...
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Episode 130
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1:06:11
Betrayal of Command: LtCol Asad ‘Genghis’ Khan, USMC (Ret.) on Toxic Leadership & Afghanistan Failure
\A Marine who grew up in Pakistan and rose through the Corps brings a view you do not get in a briefing book. LtCol Asad “Genghis” Khan, USMC (ret) talks straight about war, culture, and the co...
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Episode 129
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2:33:54
Bad Boyd, Good Receipts: Inside Snowmobiles & Grand Ideals with Ian Brown
The myths are seductive: a Top Gun fighter pilot invents the OODA loop from the cockpit of his F-86 and spends the rest of his life proving it. The truth is better—and far more useful. We sit down with Ian Brown to explore Snowmobiles and Grand...
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Episode 128
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1:28:03
Military Hardware to Mental Health: Perceptual Control Theory with Warren Mansell, PhD
What if everything you thought you knew about human behavior was backward? Imagine discovering that we don't actually control our behavior at all—instead, our behavior is merely the observable side effect of our brains controlling what we perce...
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Episode 127
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1:31:10
Autism, Telepathy and New "Outside" Information with Dr. Julia Mossbridge
What if the key to unlocking human consciousness lies not in neurotypical experiences, but in the unique ways non-speaking autistic individuals perceive and interact with reality? In this captivating episode of No Way Out, host Brian "Ponch" Ri...
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Season 3
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Episode 126
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1:06:59
TOPGUN vs. Major Boyd: Humans Over Algorithms with CAPT Dan Pederson
In this episode of No Way Out , Captain Dan "Yank" Pederson, the "Godfather" of TOPGUN, shares the origin story of the Navy Fighter Weapons School, established in 1969 during the Vietnam War to address a 2:1 kill ratio that exposed def...
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Season 3
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Episode 125
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1:30:11
AI’s D&C Cycles Accelerate: Harmonizing Agents and The Big 'O’rientation with Mahault Albarracin, PhD
What if we've been thinking about AI all wrong? What if endless scaling isn't the answer, but instead we need systems that understand context, embody knowledge, and grasp causal relationships like living organisms do?In this mind-expandi...
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Season 3
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Episode 124
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1:06:04
Human-Agent Team of Teams: Active Inference AI & The Spatial Web w/ Dr. David Bray and Denise Holt
The technological paradigm we've grown accustomed to—with centralized AI models hallucinating answers and requiring massive energy consumption—is about to undergo a profound transformation. This fascinating conversation explores how active infe...
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Season 3
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Episode 123
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1:04:01
Outmaneuver Complexity: AI Gold Rush 2.0 & Adaptive Capacity with David Woods, PhD
What happens when our increasingly interconnected systems face unexpected challenges? Dr. David Woods, pioneer of resilience engineering, explores how organizations can build the adaptive capacity needed to survive in an age of growing complexi...
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Season 3
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Episode 122
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1:45:25
Reorienting Safety: Human and Organizational Performance (HOP) with Todd Conklin
The gap between how work is imagined and how work actually happens sits at the heart of our most persistent safety challenges. In this illuminating conversation with Professor Todd Conklin, we explore how Human and Organizational Performance (H...
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Episode 121
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1:21:57
Entropy to OODA Loop: Neuroscience of Safety Systems
Entropy to OODA Loop: How the Universe's Decay Drives Safety, Systems & Human PerformanceWhat if safety isn't about rules—but entropy? In this mind-bending Episode 120 of No Way Out, host Brian "Ponch" Rivera and gues...
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Season 3
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Episode 120
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1:01:38
Pre-Event Indicators: Staying Left of Bang With Patrick Van Horne
What if you could see disruption coming before it hits? The concept of "Left of Bang" transforms how we understand threat detection and strategic advantage—not just in combat zones, but in boardrooms, investment portfolios, and everyday situati...
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Episode 119
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1:13:00
Learning War, Winning in the Age of AI: Lessons in Adaptive Strategy with Trent Hone
What can today's organizations learn from the US Navy's approach to innovation during the rapid technological changes of the 1920s, 30s, and 40s? Trent Hone reveals how naval leadership created a remarkably effective learning system during this...
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Season 2
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Episode 118
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