"Ponch" and special co-host Mark "Slider" Keller travel to New Bern, North Carolina, to sit down with Dr. Patrick Porter to discuss brainwaves, technology, and flow.

This episode delves deep into how BrainTap transcends traditional meditation practices, promising users a route to optimize their psychological well-being and achieve peak performance. Dr. Porter discusses the device's potential in enhancing mental health, particularly in the preparatory and integration phases of psychedelic-assisted therapies.

The conversation illuminates how BrainTap leverages light and sound frequencies to harmonize brainwave activity, leading to significant improvements in anxiety reduction, sleep quality, and cognitive functions. The episode also highlights personal testimonials and scientific findings that demonstrate the transformative effects of integrating BrainTap in daily routines, especially among elite athletes and high-performing professionals.

Listeners will explore the profound impacts of brainwave modulation on day-to-day experiences and the broader implications for personal wellness. By the end of this episode, the audience is encouraged to rethink their perceived limitations and embrace the vast possibilities of human cognition, armed with practical tools and insights for intentional living and self-empowerment.

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Brian "Ponch" Rivera: 0:56

All right. Hey, we're here in New Bern, new Bern, north Carolina. It's kind of hard to find on a map. That's not really not that hard. But this morning I drove down here from Virginia Beach with my good friend, mark Slider Keller. Some of you may have Mark's background. He and I did something interesting a few years ago. We'll talk about that on another episode.

Brian "Ponch" Rivera: 1:16

But we're down here talking with Dr Patrick Porter, who might sound a little woo-ish to you, but I do want to bring up a few things before we get into a conversation about something that I have possession of and Mark has, and several of our friends in our circle have something known as a brain tap device. Now, what is that? The way I look at it is, it's a way to get into high flow activities before you get into your day. It's something I've been using to help meditate, learn a little bit more about breathing exercises. You know Wim Hof. I love doing Wim Hof breathing exercises. There's, I think, three or four that I found on the app so far that I can do, and there's other ways to do. There's. There's other methods of breathing as well.

Brian "Ponch" Rivera: 2:02

Uh, but for people with big egos like Mark and I once had, I don't know if we still have big egos, um, you know, coming from fighter aviation, to come into a room like this to talk to Dr Porter about, um, something that I think a lot of our friends would call woo, right, or like you guys are nuts, I have to disagree now, right?

Brian "Ponch" Rivera: 2:22

I don't see this as being woo-ish. I see it as being a way to enhance human performance, and that's what we're here to talk about. Is to go a little bit deeper into how does something like brain tap which we'll talk about here in a moment how does that actually improve our individual way of perception, the way we act, the way we decide, the way we learn, or, in other words, how does it improve our individual and collective observe, orient, decide and act loop? So, without further ado, dr Porter, thanks for having us down here. This is awesome. You gave us a quick tour a few minutes ago, but I just want to get some background on where you came from and how did you come up with these ideas to put something in a device that we put on our head to help us do these amazing things.

Dr. Patrick Porter: 3:08

Yeah, well, I was fortunate to be born the son of an alcoholic. He was in really bad shape and the church came over and they said Michael, we're going to help you out. You're going to go to this relaxation seminar. And when he went it was something called the Silva Method and when he went he laid on the floor and relaxed and breathed, did a breathing exercise and he never drank again because he realized that his alcoholism was really stemming from his stress. Once he realized that he could de-stress without alcohol, he didn't need it anymore. He came home and he said, hey, we're all going to do this because the statistics for nine kids, there were going to be six of us that were going to be alcoholics. None of us are, and I think it was because he taught us how to use our mind.

Dr. Patrick Porter: 3:47

And then he, my dad, was always one that if he does something, he does it really well, like he's a really gifted alcoholic Everything could be going really well, he'd still find a way to go go get drunk and leave nine kids at home with their with their mother, you know, but, but get drunk and leave nine kids at home with their mother. But once he got help he dove into that. So I spent my childhood actually setting up seminars and helping him teach people this method. And in the Silva method, jose, who started out of Laredo, texas, he had a sound and the sound when you hear it you'd think that's weird, what's it doing? But what it would do, it would sync your brain up to a state called alpha. Alpha is the neutral to the brain and when you start creating alpha, you start down-regulating the sympathetic nervous system, you start increasing your parasympathetic.

Dr. Patrick Porter: 4:32

Well, there was no LEDs then. There was no way to actually change the brain. We didn't have EEGs, we didn't have all the things we have today. Like people ask me did you go to school for neuroscience? There was no such thing as neuroscience when I went to school. But what we found out? They had something called GSR machines, galvanic skin response systems, and what we could do. We mostly used it for athletes, because when a thing and I was a track guy and football and things like that. But when people can't perform in sports, typically it's their stress that's standing between their success. So you can actually measure it and you could actually set it to 10 cycles, so it would make a beeping sound. It would match your brain cycle, so it'd go. Let's say you're nervous, it'd go beep, beep, beep, beep, beep, beep. But as soon as you slowed down and when you got to alpha, it would stop. So it became a biofeedback mechanism.

Brian "Ponch" Rivera: 5:24

Did I see that in the movie Smoking the Bandit?

Mark "Slider" Keller: 5:27

Yeah, they did. Yeah, that's right.

Brian "Ponch" Rivera: 5:31

So there's a lot to unpack from that the. I want to make sure we frame what we're talking about here for our listeners and that is for our listeners. And that is, how do we overcome or mitigate those distractions in our world, the anxiety that we bring into our bodies, the stressors that we bring into our bodies, so we can be not necessarily our best but we can perform at a better level. And this doesn't mean for an athlete, it means for a business, an organization, the military. How do you improve your individual performance? Is that what we're talking?

Dr. Patrick Porter: 6:08

about. Yeah, I'll tell you about a study we did with Google and Microsoft. Julie Arnn, who's a peak performance expert, contacted me. She said hey, dr Porter, what can we do for these people? And remember, in 2021, when everybody's leaving, all the big business, they're all stressed out, they're burned out, they don't want to do it anymore.

Dr. Patrick Porter: 6:24

And I said well, they need to do a session at two o'clock in the afternoon every day, 20 minutes, he goes. Why two o'clock in the afternoon? Because, biologically, we all drop two degrees in temperature at two o'clock in the afternoon and when that happens, most people think they're hungry, or they think they need a drink, or they need some chocolate, or they need something. Usually it's coffee and tea time. That's why high tea happens at that time. But the reality is that our biological system is resetting and we're supposed to be taking a nap because these bodies, believe it or not, were designed for the Serengeti, not for New Bern, north Carolina, or Virginia Beach, virginia. So we should be taking naps, but we don't do that and we don't have time for that. So what? And she said we're never going to get these guys to do this. They're the top one percenters. These were the top peak performance guys. They wanted to keep them in the business.

Dr. Patrick Porter: 7:11

I said, let me talk to them. So I told them the benefits of it. I said, just give me two weeks, 20 minutes. And they, so we did a six-week study with them. It's been published and we showed them. We didn't show them the reports that we had beforehand because we had to take all the testing like psychological testing and things. They were all clinically depressed. They were the one percenters. They didn't realize they were the one percenters, but they were forgetting their whole life. They were really good at their job, but they weren't really good at home. They weren't really good at their own personal life. Their, their physical health was deteriorating. And these are people that retire and expire. They don't have any purpose. They don't know what they're doing because they put all their eggs in that one basket.

Mark "Slider" Keller: 7:52

It's an addictive phase.

Dr. Patrick Porter: 7:53

Yes, yeah, people get addicted to stress. In fact, some people get out of bed until they are adequately stressed. And then. So what we showed them was, at the end of six weeks, 70% improvement in their psychological support. Depression improved 70%. Their sleep scores improved over 43%. Their happiness scores improved over 49%. Their actual work product these were the top 1% improved 23%. Their happiness score improved 43%. This all happened by taking one 20-minute break and they can tell you right now they don't remember anything that happened during that 20 minutes.

Dr. Patrick Porter: 8:30

Because once you put on the brain, tap, use light and sound, once you train yourself, most people are training their 5% brain, which is called the conscious mind, while the 95% consciousness that's running the show gets left behind. It's not your conscious mind that's going to make the change and I like to tell people, when you talk about cosmic foo-foo or, you know, when you say woo-woo, the reality is that our NIH now says we have a biosphere and we can tell that these people might get blown away by this, but this sphere of energy extends about 18 feet around us and it's an energy field. And it stemmed from some research that they did. They did research on mice running a maze and they wanted to know where do these memories get stored? So think about PTSD, any memory. You want positive memories, negative memories, but these rats, these mice, we. You want positive memories, negative memories, but these rats, we just these mice. We just want to find out.

Dr. Patrick Porter: 9:24

In the study I didn't do it, but it's written about they're running this maze. So they just systematically started taking pieces of their brain out to find out where in their brain did they store these memories. They took their whole brain out. They only had brain stems. They were still able to run the maze and they couldn't find the memories. So what they said was the memories are not stored in the body, they're not stored in the tissue of the body, they're stored in the field. So when you think about the field, that's what we're changing.

Brian "Ponch" Rivera: 9:52

So this is more like an extended mind hypothesis that it, or the idea of this and you said it came. The NIH actually says we have this. Yes, so I want to go back to some of the lessons we talked about. Inside of no Way Out. When we put a boundary around anything, it's a statistical boundary. It doesn't really exist, right, right, so there's no boundary between the three of us right now. Right, and that's what you're saying. So there's other evidence out there that suggests there's more than just five senses. We have six senses or more. We know from studies and I think it's John Coates who did studies up in Wall Street the number one characteristic of an effective trader on Wall Street is interoceptive capabilities, and that would be our bodies, I don't know. Can you talk a little bit more about?

Dr. Patrick Porter: 10:40

what that means. Just right now, while we're sitting here, there's a saying that if you hang around five alcoholics, you could be the sixth If you hang around five millionaires you could be the sixth.

Dr. Patrick Porter: 10:50

That's the whole name. What science is now proving is something called bio-photetic exchange. We have a light system in the body. We have something in our bodies called a chromoform, and this chromoform is actually like a battery. It absorbs light, sound and vibration. That's how we get our energy, so we get it from the sun. As an example, if you don't get to bed by 10 o'clock, you don't make as much melatonin. If you don't get to bed by 11, you don't clean your liver. At two o'clock at night, your temperature increases two degrees, wherever you're at in the world at two o'clock because the sun is telling your body what to do. It's a pulse star. It's not just beaming light, it's telling. We're actually being instructed by the sun what to do biologically.

Dr. Patrick Porter: 11:30

Now, when we're sitting in this room together, we are exchanging bio-photically information. We don't know what that is on a conscious level, but we are learning it. That's why leaders, certain people, will follow certain leaders, because they actually emanate charisma. But what it really is, it's an energy field that surrounds everyone and everything. It's not just on the force or something like that, but it's really true. So that what I want to say so everybody understands, is every 40 seconds. You change every DNA pair in your body based on the mirror neurons in your environment, what you say to yourself, what you've consumed and ate, drank, what you think, people you're around, the rooms you're in All of this is changing all the time.

Brian "Ponch" Rivera: 12:12

So Dave Snowden is one of our company advisors and he came up with the Kenevan Framework and big into knowledge management. He always points out that our identity, intelligence and intent is changing throughout the day. And you're saying the science actually supports that every 40 seconds.

Dr. Patrick Porter: 12:27

Every 40 seconds through bio-photetic exchange. That's why, when you have low energy, you make poor decisions, because it's like if I wanted to send a message from New Bern to Virginia Beach, for instance, I don't have enough energy to send it there. I can't instruct Virginia Beach what to do. Same thing's true If you don't have enough information in your brain to move down through your spine, which is the keyboard of the brain that sends the signals out to the body, you can't get the body to perform at optimum levels.

Brian "Ponch" Rivera: 12:53

So we're feeding off each other's energy all the time. And you hear like? I just did a workshop the other day in Denver and I learned you know you can see the energy level go down. You know we're not going to get a lot done and we don't need to continue moving forward with the workshop. It's just okay, stop there. When you watch a sporting event, you can see the energy shift from one team to another. I mean, you don't see it, but that's what we sense is, oh, the energy is shifting the mojo yeah, right but that's

Brian "Ponch" Rivera: 13:16

true, I is okay, so we're not. I came across something a while ago and forgive me for bringing this up on the podcast, but I'm going to say this wrong potentially the Akashic field or something like that, and I thought it was a bunch of woo, and it may be, but I start looking at what's behind it. There's, you know, quantum physics, quantum science, some cybernetic ideas behind it as well, and the research from that shows that there is a field around us. I don't know what it's called, but is this similar to that.

Dr. Patrick Porter: 13:49

There's many fields. It's like an onion. We have this causal field. We have this soul field. You have your record of everything. I mean you can access it to the brain. So think of the brain between your ears as a receiver and transmitter of information. If you were under a surgery situation, they would open up your brain and touch different regions of your brain. You'd have a full sensory memory of an experience, even the three tables away. They're conversation. You are recording everything that you are exposed to. Now what they'll say is the field. Because you're connected to the field, you have access to all the information. We just don't have the. It's like having the internet here, but we don't have the code. You know, once we break that code, then you get access to the field.

Dr. Patrick Porter: 14:32

They developed the light bulb in three areas in the world at the same time. Yes, so how did they do that? You know. So there's all this and that's happened over and over again. It's like when, the when. It's like when we as a conscious reality get to a certain point. It's like we break through a bubble and then we're in another, almost another reality where we have different things that are happening and exposed to.

Mark "Slider" Keller: 14:52

You just reminded me of something when you said that I've done a lot of studying NDEs after my psychedelic experiences. A lot of people get interested in stuff like that. You just talked about that all these experiences are recorded in a field, but probably as vibrations or some undamped vibrations, so they're eternal, right. So people having ndes the vast majority of them talk about the moments after physical death having access to everything. I see this as evidence that consciousness does persist beyond death and you're explaining the mechanism.

Dr. Patrick Porter: 15:28

Even our laws of physics say that energy never dies, it just transforms. So, as we think about it. But there's another level of energy. Where did we come from? You know when Peronzi Gonanda used to say we should cry when people are born and celebrate when they die. You know so I mean because they're going back to wherever we came from, because we came from somewhere.

Dr. Patrick Porter: 15:49

And you know myself, back in 1985, I actually had like a near-death experience where a golden being healed me in the hospital, totally, 100% healed me of bisulfite poisoning in one day, and they kept me in the hospital for two months to figure out how they healed me. They didn't do anything and I didn't tell them about a golden being because I had no idea, no concept of what just happened to me. I told my dad about it because with Silva you learn to read energy fields and you see we all have guides and teachers. You know the um.

Dr. Patrick Porter: 16:21

Certain people have had different experiences, like I've had the experience of um going to sleep at a uh outside of uh, kansas city after my mother passed away, waking up driving down the road an hour and a half outside of Kansas city on the way home. I drove the whole way asleep. But who was driving? You know? So there's, and and these are not just my experiences they're all over the place, you know and there's. So some people get a glimpse while they're still here, and usually those people are changed, they realize that competition and all this is not necessary. You know that there's a, that's collaboration, cooperation is the key to what we're doing, because nobody gets out of here alive. So you know, so we have to work together to do it, and I think it's an energy exchange and if we realize that the more energy somebody has, the higher they think, the higher they respond. There's high energy people and there's low energy people and, like you said, we call them gainers and drainers.

Dr. Patrick Porter: 17:17

So, you have people that help you to gain what you want out of your life. You have drainers people that rob you of it and want to steal your dreams and tell you you can't do anything, but we don't even know the potential. I want to mention one thing and then we'll move on. There's a device that Meryl Hemingway and her husband, bobby, have in California right now. It's called the Stratosphere and it actually uses atmosphere and it changes cellular function. What they're finding is it's actually helping develop lung tissue. We've never seen before. We've never had any evolution in these bodies. They're the same they were 200,000 years ago today, but they're showing that with this therapy, this vibratory therapy that uses atmosphere, like going up and down in a jet, but you're doing it on the ground, but you're actually, and they can control the speed and the variation you feel like you're in an airplane and they pump in oxygen and you exercise while you're doing it. They actually have found that the lungs, and we know that there's a key to that.

Dr. Patrick Porter: 18:14

Like you said, breathing, breath work is a key to unlocking consciousness. So, as you think about this now they're building. What are we going to be when we grow up? Because we're certainly not there yet and we're finding that science is finally catching up. And when I go to India a lot and last year I was voted Research of the Year in India some of the work we did with Ames Bhopal is showing that pranayama breathing actually can match the hemispheres of the brain like brain taps. So we're always looking at ancient techniques with modern technology and what can we do, and it's just an easy way to do it. So there are ways through and we're really doing it through what we call the mirror neurons, because every cell we're in this reality, because we believe this is the reality, and so our body is reflecting that through mirrors, really in these cells. Like when you learn to fly planes, I'm sure you learn by watching other people or demonstrating it and you visualized it and you were there and you were doing these flight simulators and things like that, and then you got behind the real deal, and so we've done that our whole lives, right, we pretend we're this or we pretend we're that and then we lock in what we believe is true and then that becomes our ceiling, but that's not a real ceiling, because people will get a breakthrough and they'll go.

Dr. Patrick Porter: 19:29

That wasn't me. I wasn't that limited person. I'm this other person, and so I think we're in a time right now where there's technology that's just waking people up. You know, people are just figuring out, wow, and unfortunately science hasn't kept up. But there are people out there doing it, showing it, some people, especially academics. They have a textbook. Just one example for the listeners If you went to a textbook back in 2014, there would be no lymphatic system in the brain. It stops at the neck. But in 2015, they discovered that when you go to sleep and you reach level four sleep, you have something called the glial lymphatic system. It opens up. They didn't know about that Just in 2015. We think we know everything right now. Now, where did this come from?

Dr. Patrick Porter: 20:18

They never thought to look while you're sleeping, this system of the brain opens up, and that's the only way the brain detoxes. And it does it in microburst and it does it only when you're in level four sleep. With two-thirds of the world not sleeping, there's a problem because they're not detoxing their brain. So there's only three reasons you have problems is thoughts, traumas and toxins. So if you have toxins, which is happening because you're not detoxing the brain, you can't think right, so that's going to block your consciousness from evolving. So we're pushing the envelope here on orientation for some of our listeners.

Brian "Ponch" Rivera: 20:52

I know people are like, well, this is weird, no way out. And we're talking John Boyd doodly.

Brian "Ponch" Rivera: 20:59

Let's go back to something you brought up and it just goes back to. You know we have this gray matter between in our brain housing unit up here that doesn't really experience the outside world other than through our sensor. But I think you brought up a point that it has tremendous capability. It may be recording things that we don't know about, and we know that there are capabilities like sensory substitution, where you know you can help people who are blind can start to see through vibrations in their skin or even hearing things like that and different. You know you look at snakes and you look at different animals out there. They have different sensors than we do. So is it possible we can add different sensors to our body and our brain adapt to those new sensors? Oh, definitely.

Dr. Patrick Porter: 21:45

But the brain that's most important is not the one between your ears, it's the one in your heart. You have a 40,000 neutrino cells. You have a brain in your heart. That's the one that talks to the body twice as much as the body talks to it. So think of this brain. This brain is just a recorder and transmitter of information. Okay, you have a gut brain that has more neuron connections than the one between your head. This one is like the least. I've been telling Mark that the whole time your brain doesn't know, but these three think of it like a triangle effect.

Dr. Patrick Porter: 22:14

They all three have to be communicating for it to work. There's more heart attacks on Monday morning for a reason. There's a disconnect. 92% of the world doesn't like their job, but they have to spend a third of their life doing it. So when you don't do that, it affects your heart. You know. Think of things. You know, if you, when people start doing meditation or do these psilocybin or ME05 or all these other kind of psychedelics, it opens up their heart center. There's a reason it does that because that's where the real brain is, you know, in us. So when you, when you start to open that up, then this brain, this is a perceptual filter.

Dr. Patrick Porter: 22:52

Okay, so, uh, we have what's called nose blindness. You probably heard of it before. Like somebody lives next to a paper mill and you go to their house. You go. Man, this really stinks, don't you? How can you stand? They go, I don't smell it at all. Or they live next to a railroad track and go. How do you handle that? The train going by, I don't even hear the train. It's part of their orientation, it's built in right because their brain, our brain, really is a filtering system. If we were to take in all the information, we'd probably die.

Dr. Patrick Porter: 23:14

Yeah, we would not be able to do that so we have to select what's meaningful for us, right, right, they actually say they claim that we can see different colors now than they did 2,000 years ago Because our perceptual filters are going down. We're seeing more reality than we saw before. Okay, so as we evolve in consciousness and our body experiences that we're going to be able to see, perceive. Because when you talked about vibrations, when you look at your computer screen and you see a movie or TV screen, you see a movie that wasn't. You're not seeing the movie, you're seeing a series of vibrations and clicks and whatever, and then that circuitry changes it back into that. That's the same thing we're doing. So what's the translation, what's the filters that we're seeing the world through?

Dr. Patrick Porter: 24:15

When the Catholic priest said, give me a child to those seven, I'll give you a Catholic for life, you know that's what they're saying is because you get orientated. It's almost like I got a Macintosh computer or I got an IBM. You know the formatting doesn't work. You know that's religions, right, they get this format, this format, but the reality is that there's computers. So we have to look at how can we change that. What is the program we want to run? And so many people just run the programs that are preset by mom, dad, brothers, teachers, preachers, and when you get to a certain age you start going. I don't want those anymore. I want to build my own programs. And that's when you take back control.

Brian "Ponch" Rivera: 24:54

All right. So I want to kind of switch gears here a little bit more. You touched on psychedelics, some meditation. I want to go in there. I also want to talk about flow. So Mark and I are over 50 or a little bit older. You know we've had a lot of life experiences and for me meditation wasn't one until about two years ago. Right Now, when you pick it up, meditation wasn't one until about two years ago.

Mark "Slider" Keller: 25:18

Right, when did you pick it up? I tried mindful meditation while I was going through my benzo withdrawal and taper and withdrawal phase. I was desperate to get any kind of relief from the hyper neuro excitation. I wouldn't say I was terribly successful. I went to school in Boulder.

Brian "Ponch" Rivera: 25:32

Colorado, right, so you think I'd have access to psychedelics.

Brian "Ponch" Rivera: 25:35

I didn't do it. Yeah, yeah. So here we are. We're talking about meditation, breathing, uh, talking about Wim Hof earlier. Uh, one of the big topics right now is is flow, flow state, psychological flow? Uh, you know, I'm the co-creator of the flow system, but there is a flow cycle out there that has recovery, struggle, release and flow. Um, you brought up alpha waves earlier. That's the release side. That was connecting back to the story about your father Recovery delta waves. And then we have beta and theta gamma out there. I think theta and gamma are associated with flow. I don't know what any of that means on the brainwaves. So when I'm listening to you on the brain tap, I'm like okay, I'm trying to track this, walk us through what these brainwaves are doing and why we need them to recover.

Dr. Patrick Porter: 26:24

So no brainwave is bad. You know we need a balance of those brainwaves but it's not a balance like equal balance. If you could set your brain to the right frequency balance. Anne Weiss, who was one of our researchers she's passed away now but she wrote a book called the Master Brain Wave. 45% of your brain should be in beta when you're awake. If you're flying your jet or you're driving your car or you're walking down the road, that means we call this the reactionary mind. That mind has no intuitive nature. It's more like an animal that has instinct and it just reacts. So if you have too much of that, you become reactionary.

Brian "Ponch" Rivera: 27:04

Okay, so this is like a normal operating state brain wave. We're going to see beta. So that means if I'm just doing something that's highly routine, I'm going to have a beta.

Dr. Patrick Porter: 27:16

It lets you go into a state of flow which I'll we'll talk about it in a second. So when you're in beta now beta is the every brainwave has a corresponding neurotransmitter that it produces. It tells the gut to produce it. So if you're not in that brainwave state, you don't produce that neurotransmitter. When somebody says we have a mental health problem in the world, I say bullshit. We have a physiological problem in the world. People are sitting too much and they're not getting their body moving.

Mark "Slider" Keller: 27:44

Because if you sit too much, your body will downregulate and you'll stop making your it's a health problem.

Dr. Patrick Porter: 27:48

So if you think of beta, that's the dopamine. And when people think about dopamine, and that's the big problem out there with all the addictions, because dopamine never gets a payoff right. It's an agitate it just it just agitates you to do it, so you do it. It goes, do it again, do it again, do it again. That's why games like these games just ring bells and and the little lights, and people play them all day long and they're going. What are you doing? But every time they get the little bell ring, every time they get the little thing, they get a dopamine hit. Every time you look at your phone, you get a dopamine hit. Every time you look at your phone, you get a dopamine hit. The average person looks at their phone 300 times a day 352, that's the latest I got.

Brian "Ponch" Rivera: 28:20

Really Wow even more.

Mark "Slider" Keller: 28:22

They're going to say they look out at the world 300 times a day and the rest of the time they're looking at their phone.

Dr. Patrick Porter: 28:28

So it's okay to have. We need dopamine because we need that to get us out moving. If not, we just sit in our cave. We wouldn't be here today, right, we wouldn't be somewhere else. But if you can drop into alpha, alpha is your intuitive mind. 30% of your brain while you're awake should be in that intuitive space, because right now you're predicting the future yeah, all the time. So when I did the brain scan with Danica Patrick, she had the highest brain score I'd ever seen, and it wasn't surprising to me Because of what she was doing for a living driving.

Dr. Patrick Porter: 29:01

We're not supposed to be able to process anything over 180 miles an hour. You probably have done it right, yeah.

Brian "Ponch" Rivera: 29:08

We've seen it, we've been through it.

Dr. Patrick Porter: 29:09

Right. So your brain has to be working in a hyperspace, not in this time. You are predicting the future because our perceptual filters cannot handle it. She's driving a car at 200 miles an hour, 220, or whatever. You're flying a jet at whatever 600 miles an hour, whatever it is, and you're basically you're predicting the future faster than your neurological system can handle it, and if you don't have the energy, you'll have a breakdown. It's like running a light bulb. It's a 70 watt light bulb at a hundred watts. You can do it for a while, but eventually it's going to burn out or you have to build capacity. That's what we do.

Brian "Ponch" Rivera: 29:47

Are you burning a lot of, in that case of Danica Patrick. Is she like just burning through a lot of calories as she's doing that?

Dr. Patrick Porter: 29:53

Okay, the brain is the biggest energy. It uses 25% of all the energy of the body. So when people say they're tired and they don't do any physical labor but they do a lot of mind work, that's because you can't just go eat a candy bar to replace your energy in your brain. Your brain needs light energy. That's the most under-prescribed nutrient on earth. So they're not getting what their body needs because they believe that there's a food pyramid. That's not how our body gets energy, but that's the way we believe it because that's the way it's been taught in school. This is all going to change. That's why lasers work and things like that, or LED light therapy or brain tap even, is because our body craves light and wants light in the right wavelength, and our sun provides it to us us, but we don't get there. So between beta and alpha there's a brain wave that we didn't talk about. It's called smr. Okay, that's the one if you if anybody's listening gets dementia, alzheimer's that small brain wave between those two, that's the one for cognition. It's it like straddles those two brain waves and that's when you're hyper-focused. That's the flow state, if you can get into that. Now there are other flow states if you can operate in them, like drop down into theta. So when you think about theta theta we call the inventive mind, because in that mind you're straddling the other world and this world at the same time. You're like the Sufi master that says they can perceive the inner world and the outer world and this world at the same time. You're like the Sufi master that says they can perceive the inner world and the outer world at the same time because you're in a super hyperspace. Now I should say alpha 2 creates acetylcholine. That's the feel-good one. That's why people, once they start doing something they love, like whatever their hobbies are, they'll spend all their money, all their time and maybe even to the extent they ruin their life because they want that feel good.

Dr. Patrick Porter: 31:41

When you're an alpha, when you drop into theta, you start to create GABA. Gaba is the precursor to DMT. So that's why people they get into and theta is very hard to get into on your own. It's just not something most people do. It's a very small brainwave pattern A width, if you will, is between four and seven cycles per second, and so usually people get it when they go to sleep and when they wake up and they might flip into it every once in a while during the day, but it's usually some people. That's the problem out there in the world with adults. They don't have enough theta activity Is dreaming theta and flow like it.

Dr. Patrick Porter: 32:20

When you remember your dreams, you're in theta and alpha. Okay, when you're in deep delta, you don't remember those dreams because you're in a, you're in an unconscious state, all right. So when you're, if you pop up into beta, you wake up. Well, what time is it then? Go back to sleep? You know you want to stay below, probably below 10 cycles, and it depends on who you are. But light sleepers will not get into deep delta. But you really need to be in deep, what we call catalystic sleep, where, if you've ever woke up in the middle of the night and you couldn't move, you were cleaning your brain. Your body will actually go offline while it's detoxing, but it's only microburst. So, even though when you experience it it might seem like a long time, it only took microseconds, but there's no time there. So when you're in delta, you're going to create the serotonin that you need for the next day to feel good.

Dr. Patrick Porter: 33:07

Now, on the flip side of that, which is a brainwave that we just started actually 10 years ago. I mean, people have known about it forever but they thought only Buddhist adepts and people master meditators would go to was called gamma, and gamma is like theta on steroids, but gamma is from 40 hertz up to 300 hertz. It's a big, wide open. It's like going to Wyoming. We don't know what that is yet. I've been to Wyoming. Yes, it's wide open. So with and what we found was that, uh, not just master meditators.

Dr. Patrick Porter: 33:43

When we're talking about a psilocybin and different things, when I was doing a study with Dr Rosenfall out of Texas, he said he called me up. He says I want to use brain tap with these that's for PTSD, but we want to do a psilocybin with them. Do you think there's any contraindications, anything like that? I said I've never done a psilocybin so I don't know. But why don't you do some brain scans and let's look at them? So we did some brain scans of people on a psilocybin not the first time, because some people can have some reactions. The first time. That we didn't want to record because it's an anomaly. Some people will have a great, pleasant trip and some people they'll confront their demons during that first one.

Dr. Patrick Porter: 34:19

And what we found was in the brain. There was a high order of gamma activity going on and they didn't do anything to make it happen. It was just the psilocybin, it was the reaction. So most people don't understand the cannabinoid receptors in the brain. They don't care If they get triggered. They're going to create a chemical corresponding reaction and then a brainwave is going to be created. Okay, and so what happens? When you do a psilocybin or ME05, all of these now we know or ketamine, you're going to have this high order of reorganization that creates energy yeah, and this energy creates neuroplasticity yeah, and the neuroplasticity, in order to operate, operates in high gamma. For these, now, then the brain. It takes about 72 hours. The brain will then reorganize and if you do the right things for that 72 hours, you've got this new neuroplasticity. That happens if you go right back to your stress. It just basically goes right back to the connection between gamma and neuroplasticity.

Brian "Ponch" Rivera: 35:11

That's, that's, that's a strong okay. Yes, I'm going to uh kind of repeat this back to you. So I went through high flow coaching through Kotler's flow research collective. The flow cycle is recovery, struggle, release, flow. Recovery is related to delta brainwaves. I think that you brought that up as well. Struggle that's right before we get into anything. You get beta waves, release is alpha, and then flow is theta and potentially gamma, and gamma is not going to be like Alpha could be a flow state too.

Dr. Patrick Porter: 35:43

Okay, I think that there's a saying that Buddha said over 5,000 years ago all unhappiness stems from unfavorable comparisons. So you also have the psychological component that comes in.

Brian "Ponch" Rivera: 35:53

Okay.

Dr. Patrick Porter: 35:53

So when people start comparing who they are to what they want to be or what they think they should be, when you're in these higher orders of thinking that all goes away, All judgment drops. There's no longer any judgment Like what did you do in the past? Shame on you. There's none of that. It's like it just is, Because the reality is that everything that's in your past was made up, and I can prove that to you, because if you go to a family reunion or you go back to one of your squadron reunions, people will tell stories.

Brian "Ponch" Rivera: 36:24

They misremember the past.

Dr. Patrick Porter: 36:25

Yeah, they distort change and delete parts of it. Well, we've been. Every time you bring it up, it changes. Yes, so why would you believe it? Yeah, so you know what tell people.

Dr. Patrick Porter: 36:38

And and richard bandler, one of my trainers, he's the one who started all of the neurolinguistic programming program, part of it. He always said that everyone needs to have three or four past. So why don't you create three or four positive ones? And what I tell people is whatever happened to you in the past wasn't needed, but it was necessary to get you here now. And because you're here now, you're empowered. Imagine you woke up. You realize you have control.

Dr. Patrick Porter: 37:03

Right now, if you're listening to this podcast, you realize. Whether you want to deny it or not, you now can't go back. You know what you know. You can fight it or you can accept it, but the reality is it'll never change. It won't go back.

Dr. Patrick Porter: 37:16

It's like Wayne Dyer said consciousness is like running shorts Once you outgrow them and they fall down around your ankles, you don't put them on anymore. It's just funny, you know. So there's, we have to think about the way we think about things. You know, in that old, outdated model. When you talk about flow states, you know everybody wants to get into flow state, but they don't have a way to train their brain because you can't train the brain in the same way. You've learned to get where you are right now. You have to go to another state.

Dr. Patrick Porter: 37:43

You know when Einstein said you can't solve a problem when the same level is created. What he's really talking about is like a brain tap session or a mind session where you have to go to an alternate state or an alternate reality where you role play out the solution. Once you have the right solution, you have a 100 billion orbit processor. You can think of an infinite number of ways to solve that problem. Once you find that one problem solved the way that you want it, that's just as immediate but more appropriate you bring that back into your physiology. Now you can never do that same thing again. The difference between a habit and a choice a habit, you don't know about it, but as soon as you know about it and you're doing it out of knowing it's not a habit anymore You're choosing to do it. So when you empower yourself, I'm choosing to do this. If you choose to do it, that's different than saying, oh, I can't help it, I'm addicted. No, you're not addicted. As soon as you know you're addicted, you're not addicted anymore.

Brian "Ponch" Rivera: 38:35

So in the OODA loop there's something known as implicit guidance control. It's an autonomic response. It'd be the habit, right? It's those things you build up in your orientation. If your technical skills, in sports, whatever, you build that up and that actually allows you in my opinion, or from what I understand, allows you to get into a flow state, because now you don't have to think about those things, the energy required by your brain to execute something actually decreases now and you're more aware of the surrounding environment. So we go back into the OODA loop. We talked about that quite a bit. You brought up something there in the processor of our brain. We talked about counterfactuals, what-if scenarios. We're always running that in our brain. Right now, you and I are doing that. We're all doing that. There's some processing going on, but we don't. I guess it's subconscious. It's all happening and I call it the other than conscious, because you're always conscious. Okay, you know, it's not, I don't know about that, it's not, you're not aware of it right now, at this moment yeah but it's, it's happening you're not

Dr. Patrick Porter: 39:28

just you're not just here, remember, you're everywhere and you're doing everything, and then you bring it back to this moment, but we don't know where we were. Just a moment ago we weren't here. So there's a if you want to call it subspace or whatever you want to call it. That's why some people just access that space a lot faster than others and they can do things, and other people don't, or they mistrust it, they think, oh, that can't possibly be right. But it is right. You know, if you start listening to that inner voice, you know, if we were trained correctly, we would be a lot stronger with that. So yeah, I mean there's. We can't have a happy thought without having the most hideous thought, because how would we know it was happy? It has to be a comparison. So we do that in our mind, but what shows up is the happy thought, you know, and that's the one we give energy to hopefully so peak performance in athletes and Danica Patrick is an athlete she's driving a car.

Brian "Ponch" Rivera: 40:27

You know our background's in fighter aviation. People want to achieve a level of maybe not peak performance, but a high performance, and to do that we have so many distractions in our day-to-day. We wake up, we look at our phone, we have this poor hygiene going on all around us, we have devices in our room, ipads in the bedroom, or sleep right before you go to bed. I guess the light fixtures lights in our office buildings are not necessarily good for us. We're constantly being bombarded by something that's going after dopamine or something in our brain. Where we're going, where I think it's every three minutes, we're switching tasks. I think in a given day we're looking at 11 minutes of actual focus work that we're getting done. 47% of our day is spent thinking about something else. We're just under constant attack. So when we go back to trying to achieve peak performance in anything, how can you do that with the device that you have with BrainTap? Is that what it's designed to do?

Dr. Patrick Porter: 41:28

Yeah, the main thing is, in order to make any change, we have to do what's called neural pruning. So what you're talking about is there's pathways that are so easy. So, to help the audience visualize it, let's say you were going to run across a field and it already had a path on it. That's your past behaviors. You can run that path all day long, no problem, you're not getting interrupted. But you know there's a better way to get to that destination. You've got to break through all that, the weeds that are up to your shoulders.

Dr. Patrick Porter: 41:56

The first time you go through it it's going to be hard and as long as you have the energy you can make it through there. That's called neuroplasticity. And so eventually, as you go through that new path enough times, that old path starts to grow up the grass. That is called neuro pruning. Now you can no longer. That way is more difficult. So you don't do it anymore. You go the new way, enough energy, like when we're children. We have our brain is full of energy, our, our atps alive. We we don't know any better. We do things that are crazy because you know, depending upon how you are, that's because we don't have all the limitations. Once you, once you start to let the program run, 95 of the time you're being ran by your subconscious 95. We're not thinking about our heartbeat while we're talking here I am, but now you are, yeah, but but you're not building.

Dr. Patrick Porter: 42:48

There's 50 million cells per second being built. You're not doing that. Your subconscious is doing that. You know it's not you on the conscious level, this one that's running around here, but every the problem is that people think that flow state happens in this mind. It's not, it's in a higher mind. It's right there. It just wants you to. But we have to rehearse it. There's a saying I have you get what you rehearse, not what you intend, so you can have the best intentions in the world. We all know the road to hell is paved with them. So what BrainTap does? It gives you a time to get outside of space and time get you into the right physiological state of alpha and theta, maybe even gamma. If you do those sessions Now, when you're in that physiological state, because emotion drives behavior, they need to get that through their heads.

Dr. Patrick Porter: 43:32

Emotion drives behavior, not thinking. Thinking takes energy. Emotions give you energy. If I have you, think of every positive emotion. You it's infinite.

Dr. Patrick Porter: 43:43

But if I give you any negative emotion anger, fear, resentment, depression, anxiety those all take your energy because they do one thing they stop your breathing. You can't be angry, you can't be anxious. You can't be depressed, you can't be worried and breathe. Yeah, it's impossible, it's physiologically impossible. So if you learn to breathe through those situations and this goes back to even the Vedas they say that your next solution is always in the next breath.

Dr. Patrick Porter: 44:08

But people are, you know, and you just look to a little kid, you know, when my grandson come running up and he's angry, if I said, just breathe, eli, he'll get angrier because he knows as soon as he breathes the anger is gone. But if I just stop and I match his breathing and I slow down my breathing, he'll naturally do it and his anger will dissipate. Yeah, because my physiology matches his, because we're communicating on a level not conscious. Okay, it's unconscious. And that's why when you look at, like even the, you look at these masters who work with pets, like dogs, and you go, how come he can get that mad dog to calm down in a matter of seconds, when the owner's, like chasing him around, can't even hold him back? It's because the owner has all this anxiety and fear that he's projecting.

Dr. Patrick Porter: 44:49

He thinks what he's saying is important. No, it's what you're doing and being that's important, it's your being. You know, there's an expression what you are is speaking louder than what you say. You know, so you know. There's also a saying that you know, one action is better than a hundred thoughts, you know. So you can think about doing all these wonderful things, but if you do one wonderful thing, that's better than all those thoughts, so you know it's an action. So, in order to get into the flow state when you're talking about the physical activity, we can visualize it in our inner space. We can make all the mistakes. Then hopefully we've made enough positive choices. Then now, when we do it in the physical world, we're doing it correctly.

Mark "Slider" Keller: 45:26

And if those match.

Dr. Patrick Porter: 45:27

Then we're happy. That's called happiness because it's happened. It's happened, it's happened, it's happiness. So these things are happening in the right sequence. And so our brain and our body go wow, this physiological state feels good because we're seeing in our mind, we're experiencing in our life, and this emotional release happens and we get a dopamine, we get a cortisol, we get all the cortisol is released. The the neoprenephrine is gone, we get a little acetylcholine, because now it's a flow state, yeah, and we start and it's all. But it's because we practice and rehearse it. It's not by accident. Just some people have done this without actual practice. They just naturally do it. Like. That's why, in the military, I always use an example when they, when they put people through the Navy SEALs training, they, they let anybody who qualifies in, but they're trying to get rid of them. They're trying to get the people that aren't naturally have that propensity because under pressure do they crack?

Brian "Ponch" Rivera: 46:18

Can you build that up? You said natural, but I mean, can you?

Dr. Patrick Porter: 46:22

that's what they can do now. They could have a lot more Navy SEALs make it through the program, but they have a proven system right. They've proved over time that if they do this, you know, when you go to Marine training and they say it takes 10 weeks to make a Marine, because it takes five weeks to destroy the Marine before they make the Marine, because they got to get rid of all those thoughts and say this is counterintuitive, why would I do all these things? Because then they make them think they're invincible.

Brian "Ponch" Rivera: 46:46

Yeah, or Marine Corps trained Right right, so you can't really you can't, really.

Dr. Patrick Porter: 46:52

You know, the average person in the bar that doesn't know about the training thinks that somebody just goes to boot camp for 10 weeks and runs around and does their things. But there's a lot of psychological training because you're being pushed to the physiological limits.

Brian "Ponch" Rivera: 47:08

Now your body has to adjust to that physiological norm. But you need stress, though. Right, the body has to be stressed.

Dr. Patrick Porter: 47:11

There's a great study that was done that I think people need to know about it. They took mice. These poor mice get abused right. So they took these mice and they put them in a pool and they let them drown and they took about 18 minutes right. So the next time they put the mice in, they took them out at 15 minutes, they let them get back to normal, they put them back in the water.

Brian "Ponch" Rivera: 47:33

They lasted 21 days because they know they can, they know they'd make it, they know they make okay that's marine training is okay, yeah you know they get you right to the brink.

Dr. Patrick Porter: 47:44

So let me ask you this Of breaking.

Dr. Patrick Porter: 47:45

They pull you back. You get to do something fun, whatever it is. Then they put you back through it and the psychological training is I know I'm going to make it. It's not the end of it. But if you're one of those people that breaks before you get to, we would not grow, we wouldn't develop, we wouldn't have any good times, there would only be blah. Yeah, I mean you. If we had stress, we wouldn't. They actually did an experiment with with mice again and they, they, they, them, everything they wanted. These mice didn't have to move. They only lived about a third of the life of an average mouse because they needed the stress. You need stress to live and grow and develop. When somebody says, hey, I want to have a stress-free life, you mean you want to die. That's the only time these physiological systems are de-stressed.

Brian "Ponch" Rivera: 48:40

So living is actually getting out there and being challenged by the environment and developing skills to overcome those challenges. Always grow right. That's what we want to do. You don't want to go to a job that isn't challenging and you always want to develop. At least we want to develop skills where you can learn something new.

Dr. Patrick Porter: 48:59

You know who has the record for the most strikeouts. Right, that struck out at bat, at bat the most Babe Ruth. Okay, he also owns the record for the most home runs. So if you're going to shoot for the fences, you're going to strike out a lot. You know so he wasn't a safe hitter. He was going for the. He wasn't the most in shape guy, so he had to hit the home run.

Brian "Ponch" Rivera: 49:19

So he could just run the bases whatever.

Dr. Patrick Porter: 49:22

So I mean you. It depends on who you are. You know the, the people that want to hit the fences. They're going to fail and it depends on how you adapt to that failure. Is that failure final? No, but if you want to think it's final, it is final. Final isn't. Failure isn't final, it's only feedback. If you can use that as a feedback loop, like what you're talking about, you get the feedback loop. Then you improve upon it. Now you master that situation and you don't have the.

Dr. Patrick Porter: 49:48

It doesn't become stressful for them because they don't look at it as stress. There's eustress too, you know. There's a positive stress. You know so, and it's surprising to me people that think they're not stressed. When we measure them with our neural check, which you both are going to experience here at the clinic today, when we measure them with our neural check, which you both are going to experience here at the clinic today, a lot of people don't realize how stressed their physiological system is because they have no feeling from the neck down. They're so cerebral that they don't realize what's going on. And those are the people that they go. I can't believe Fred died of a heart attack.

Brian "Ponch" Rivera: 50:18

He never got mad at anybody. He's probably mad somewhere.

Dr. Patrick Porter: 50:21

Yeah yeah. We need to have the highs and the lows. You know in, you know you in. But the problem is you don't want to stay there, like if you get depressed. It's okay to be depressed, but you can't stay there because that's not a good physiological state either. You can't stay at the high level either. You know you can't fly your jet all day long. You gotta come down and get gas, get gas Right.

Brian "Ponch" Rivera: 50:41

So I got a question, okay, so everybody's stressed. Now Everybody's, not everybody, it's journalization, uh, folks are stressed Uh, there are, uh pharmaceuticals out, there are are. You know, you can take a lot of drugs now to suppress these things, right?

Dr. Patrick Porter: 51:00

Just some thoughts on that I always tell people you can't have the pill without the skill. So you can take the pill but it's not doing anything. It's like if you're driving your car and your engine light comes on, you go give me that black tape over there. I'm going to put the black tape over that red light. Okay, the engine's fixed. It's not doing anything to fix the engine.

Dr. Patrick Porter: 51:25

So if you, for instance, ssris were approved for 14 days of use yeah, how many people you know use them for 14 days? I think a lot of folks. Most people get on with them. Were they for life, their doctor says you got to take this rest of your life. That's not what they are approved for, yeah, so the study showed 14 days of use they.

Dr. Patrick Porter: 51:37

And when we did our study with opioids down in Brazil, opioids were designed and approved for four weeks of use. That's it. How many people you know get on opioids and only for four weeks? Very few. So we did a study that said if you're using brain tap at the same time you get on opioids after a surgery or something like that, will you get off them in four weeks without any? So we had a group that didn't use brain tap, a group that did the group that used brain tap and this study is just coming out now. It was out of Brazil, every person in our study. Four weeks they were off because we taught them the skill, because guess where the greatest pharmacy on earth is?

Brian "Ponch" Rivera: 52:14

Yeah, your human brain.

Dr. Patrick Porter: 52:15

Yeah, our body is the. So, if you put everything you put in, the reason opioids work is we have opioid receptors. The reason marijuana works is we have cannabinoid receptors. You know, if our brain doesn't have the receptor, which means our body's interaction with that drug is what's causing it that's why they give you a drug and they say let's see how this works for you, and then you give them the feedback it doesn't work. Oh, try this one. Well, that doesn't work because our body is always changing. Your body is never the same we talked about earlier. Every 40 seconds you're a different person. So you're either up-regulating your DNA, your expression of who you are, or you're down-regulating it. As soon as you take a pill, you're down-regulating because that pill is not just that pill. 97% of what's in that pill is inert and is actually harming you. It's toxic. And so if they just gave you what was necessary, maybe it would be good, but they never do that. They want you to be addicted. Unfortunately, it's a sad state of affairs.

Dr. Patrick Porter: 53:15

My grandmother and the reason I'm saying this with conviction is my grandmother was sent home from the hospital. She was head nurse at the hospital. This was back in the sixties and early seventies and it was like 70 something and she was sent home to die. She was on 27 different medications. They took her off all her medications. She's going to die, no problem. She lived to be 93. She didn't change anything else, She'd still drink her. She, she'll drink her sodas. She ate like crap. But her body didn't have to fight off the toxic load of the pharmaceuticals. And the problem is what they put in them is not safe for us.

Brian "Ponch" Rivera: 53:55

The same thing can be said about food. It's hard to find good food these days. There's different modalities out there. There's prayer, there's meditation, there's breathing. There's different modalities out there. There's prayer, there's meditation, there's breathing. There's psychedelics, braintap. You brought up opioids and the study that's coming out here soon. Can you compare what BrainTap does to what psychedelics? What we're finding out in psychedelics?

Dr. Patrick Porter: 54:17

Yeah, Well, psychedelics, if you want to open up a cave and you need to stick a dynamite, then oh then these are good. You know, if you want neuro, you want neuroplasticity and you want neuro pruning. Because if you're so fixed, if that brain is so fixed and they've ran that pattern so long and what impresses upon it, let's say, you have a traumatic memory, like in the military. You see really bad things and your brain tries to avoid them. It doesn't. It's there, it's been, it's recorded.

Dr. Patrick Porter: 54:47

Yes, you already said that, yeah, so it's recorded in the, it's recorded in the field and it's so strong because guess what your brain goes I don't ever want to be in that situation again. How can I avoid it? So the brain is trying to figure out how to avoid it. In order to do that, it has to to remember it. So it keeps running the program. Every time they remember the program, they hard wire it in. Every time they run the program, they hard wire it in.

Dr. Patrick Porter: 55:09

So what? What the psychedelics do and what I? I think I was. If you asked me 15 years ago, I'd have said hell, no, don't ever do those things. They're, they're terrible, because I had no experience with them and I had no evidence. But since I've been doing it, what I've seen is what you can do in one session of psychedelics is at least five years of psychotherapy with a good psychotherapist. And you have to remember that there's never been a psychotherapy study better than 12%. That's pretty sad. That's my profession. So the placebo is 40%, which means they're talking people out of their change because they keep talking about the problem yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah as long as you talk about the problem, you're hardwiring it.

Dr. Patrick Porter: 55:50

There's no neural printing happening, so we have to shift years. So what happens is now you have this, you break you, you blow up the brain you're not.

Brian "Ponch" Rivera: 55:57

You're not trying to hide it, you're trying to look at it a different light, right? So what?

Dr. Patrick Porter: 56:01

happens is you're trying to disassociate it for a moment. If you disassociate it just for one moment, yeah, your brain will never store it the same way again, remember?

Dr. Patrick Porter: 56:09

right, because we so as soon as they is, but as soon as is, if somebody's identifying with it and you identify with ptsd, you, uh, you are a victim of ptsd. Your unconscious has to make that so because you always get what you believe 100 of the time. But when you get into these altered states and you start to see geometric beings or you know, uh, other realities where you feel expanded out into the universe, and you start and you get a, and it's an actual physiological feeling that your brain registers and says, or your consciousness registers, however that works because I've done it now and it's. I don't know where I was at, what I was happening, but when I came back I was totally different and with me. I didn't tell my wife because I didn't know how she would feel about it. But when I came back she goes. After about three or four days being back, she goes. You seem to be. I've always come people don't think I get angry, but she goes. You seem to be really mellow now. What's going on?

Brian "Ponch" Rivera: 57:02

Yeah, we've experienced it and we could talk for hours on this, on that. So we'll talk more about psychedelics on the show. So we have brain tap now, and here's where I'm going with this. With all these stressors, these disruptions in our lives, anxiety that's being created by many, many ways, we need something as humans, right to get back to being human, and in my view, it could look something like hey, that big stick of dynamite that you brought up with psychedelics, and then something to maintain that, or I don't know if it's maintained.

Dr. Patrick Porter: 57:39

Yeah, integration.

Brian "Ponch" Rivera: 57:40

Yeah, integration right, and then maybe some activities to change people's habits for their day-to-day lives the hygiene with the phone and all that and the devices and how they structure their day. So there's this process. I think that's starting to happen. Emerge as many luminaries and thought leaders and journalists come together and start saying, hey, did you know about this and that? And that's kind of why we're here talking to you today. Started saying, hey, did you know about this and that? And that's kind of why we're here talking to you today. So, mark, is a great example of having you know benzodiazepine right background, Not that you went out and searched for that.

Mark "Slider" Keller: 58:12

Doctors gave it to you, yeah.

Brian "Ponch" Rivera: 58:14

PTSD, you know experience with psychedelics. And then, of course, BrainTap tap and brain tap was introduced to us from, uh, Bart Bartolone. Um, you know, Bart said, hey, you need to do this. I'm like, oh gosh, one of Bart's ideas. Again, here we go. No, it's, it's geometry of this, it's this that it's, it's always something, a new orientation, right?

Brian "Ponch" Rivera: 58:37

Um? But you start looking into, like, the part we talk about flow and the different brain waves and all that. And I started reading about brain tap and I said, okay, I'm going to give this thing a shot. Uh, I got one. Uh, I think I called you right away and said, dude, you got to get one of these. Uh, a couple of weeks later, you had one, yeah, yeah. So the group there's a group of us that have them all former aviators actually that that have these things. My wife used it and she's like this is awesome. In fact, I'm going to get one when I'm here today, if that's okay.

Dr. Patrick Porter: 59:04

And then after make a profit we made more than once.

Brian "Ponch" Rivera: 59:14

Yeah, let's talk about this because you know Mark's here and I want to talk about that experience with the brain tap device and I want you to walk us through some of the more technical questions we may have. And this may not interest a lot of our listeners, but we want to get into some of the technical side of it to make sure we understand what's going on there. So, with that being said, my experience with it is at least two times, maybe three times, a day. I'm using it mainly for breathing exercises. Generally, first thing I do when I wake up and maybe when I go to bed uh, have used it in the afternoon around two, two, 30. That's a great, great thing to do Uh, probably breathing then.

Mark "Slider" Keller: 59:51

Uh, and then, Mark, what have you been using? What have you been doing? Yeah, so when I first got it, um, I did your intro to brain tap or kickstart your journey, which is a three week thing and that's three sessions a day. I do that religiously and the first session, like I wake up, I didn't get out of bed. I go right to it. First session boom, do my morning workout, meditation routine, all that stuff. After lunch, the second session and then the third one right before bed, usually in bed.

Brian "Ponch" Rivera: 1:00:16

Yeah, and you've seen. What do you see?

Mark "Slider" Keller: 1:00:19

It had a tremendous effect. So you know I'm struggling with the benzodiazepine-induced neurological damage. My GABA receptor system has been modulated so I'm recovering from that. It's taken some years but I suffer from pretty much chronic neuroexcitation. I do all kinds of stuff to deal with that, including my diet, meditation and some other stuff. I found with the brain tap probably two weeks into it, I wasn't having to rely on those other modalities so much. I was actually spending less time having to take a minute and breathe, take a minute to meditate, stop what I'm doing, and by the time I got to the end of that series I was doing a lot better, sleeping a little better. I think my cognitive acuity was improved somewhat. But the big one for me was my anxiety was reduced and now we're kind of exploring the space. There's a lot of program material in there and maybe you want to talk a little bit about that.

Brian "Ponch" Rivera: 1:01:22

So walk us through just the. Okay. Why the lights in the headphones? Okay, I found that to be a little weird. Walk us through that, okay. So what I found out?

Dr. Patrick Porter: 1:01:31

our doctors started using lasers to treat different conditions in the ears. There's a Dr Nogier that came up with something called Nogier frequencies there's seven frequencies of the body that he would put sound in. And so they came out with a laser that had these frequencies and they would put them on laser points on the ears. And I thought, wow, I wonder what would happen. And so we did this with autistic children, because they couldn't wear the headphone at first. And so there's one of them that shuts down the nervous system. It turns off the high sympathetic and turns on parasympathetic, the rest and digest recovery state, and it's a frequency. So what we do is those lights aren't solid. There's enough lights. The dose of lights in each ear is the same dose you'd get from a three-minute laser treatment, but what we're doing is something called photobiomodulation. So when that light hits the ear, all the blood in your body goes through your ears every three to four minutes. So how light therapy works is it absorbs light energy into the hemoglobin and circulates it through the body until it finds a cell that's about to die, and that cell that's about to die absorbs that light energy and the Krebs cycle starts again and that cell comes back to life. So our body needs light, like I said. So if we want to dose the brain, there's two really good ways to do it. There's more, but the two that we chose were the ears and the eyes and I'll get to the eyes in a minute. But that actually changes every two minutes to a different frequency. So it's pulsing. It's like our sun. It's pulsing at a different frequency and it's tuning the body. So like a tuning fork would do it, or like an old timing light in a car when you used to use timing lights for those that remember that and the body will follow that frequency and the more you do it, the more it follows it. That changes. So if you do a 14-minute session or higher, you've went through all seven frequencies and now the body is tuned up. So that's what's going on in the ears and when you give energy to the brain, we can measure that. So we're not just hypothetically saying that. You're going to see that today when you do the work here at the lab, they're going to show you how the energy increases. And it happened because of photic exchange. Your body absorbed the light energy. Also, you can absorb sound energy. So at the same time we're sending in noge frequencies, we're sending in sophageal frequencies, we're sending in binaural beats in the form of those sophageal frequencies, which is just off. So how a binaural works.

Dr. Patrick Porter: 1:03:54

If people don't know, let's say I wanted to get a 10 hertz frequency in your brain. I would have to send like a 300 hertz frequency and a 310 hertz frequency. Your brain doesn't hear either of those. It hears the phantom 10 hertz. Now what we found out was we can change that frequency at a certain cadence, just like marching, you know, at a certain cadence and the brain will change along with it. If we do it too fast, the brain says forget about it. If we do it too slow, the brain says forget about it.

Dr. Patrick Porter: 1:04:20

So over the last 35 years we've been able to measure what happens. So we have that going on and then so we're just inviting the brain to go there. Now we don't have a feedback loop on this because we know 100% of the people, 100% of the people that listen to BrainTap, are going to do it. We've done studies on 1,000 people. Every one of them, after three sessions, will follow the algorithm, because this is the way our body works, like I was talking about earlier, the reason that we have to be asleep by 10 o'clock. If we can to make more melatonin is because the sun tells our body to do that. We don't clean our liver, all those things, so we're using the same frequencies. So, for instance, before technology, 95% of all humans lived near a body of water, because that water has a resonant frequency of 10 hertz and we like 10 hertz.

Brian "Ponch" Rivera: 1:05:11

Not because we had access to water.

Dr. Patrick Porter: 1:05:13

Right, we needed water Right.

Brian "Ponch" Rivera: 1:05:17

I'm just curious, right, you are water, yeah, right.

Dr. Patrick Porter: 1:05:20

But what would happen if somebody wandered off and they were too far away from it? They want to set up where they feel the best, so this feels right. This is where I should build my camp.

Brian "Ponch" Rivera: 1:05:30

It's always true. Yeah, every time we do a campaign.

Dr. Patrick Porter: 1:05:32

So you want to build it by the water, and then I'll just tell you a story about it so you understand. When I was first over in Ames, paul went there to give a talk about what we do and they don't have this technology over there, but they will because of what happened last year with me. But Varun, dr Varun, who's a guru in his own right. He sees me do a demonstration in front of the group. I said anybody here not meditate? They raised their hand. I said okay, I'm going to show you that you can have a guru's brainwave in less than 10 minutes. We put it up on the screen. This guy has this great brainwave and just goes right into deep theta, which never meditated, never did anything but with brain temperature. So Dr Varun says well, that's cheating. He says you're cheating. I've been meditating for 25, 30 years and it took me that long to get to this place. I said well, varun, have you ever meditated to a candle? Oh, yeah, all the time. I said, well, that's cheating.

Brian "Ponch" Rivera: 1:06:28

He says what do you mean? I said, because the candle's flickering at 10 hertz frequency. The mirror neurons are measuring. Is that right? Is it the same?

Dr. Patrick Porter: 1:06:34

Yes, and I said, the reason that you only had a candle was you couldn't change the candles flickering. Every fire does that. So when you're on a romantic getaway and you light a fire and you get lucky wait, I don't know all fires are doing. Yes, every fire. That's why, when people look at fires, they go I'm mesmerized by the fire, yeah, because your brain's sinking to 10 hertz. And guess what else you're getting when we as as an infrared light, when you're there so you're, you're down regulating your nervous system and you're going to sleep.

Dr. Patrick Porter: 1:07:00

You know, that's the way we used to do it. So and then I said to him I go, you know they. You ever wonder why the gurus go to the himalayas to meditate? Oh, to get away from people. I said no, they're cheating. He says what do you mean? I said they're cheating because that mountain resonates at 7.8 hertz frequency theta. And when you're there all your mirror neurons are mirroring that 7.8 hertz frequency. You're making so much gaba. You have a spirit. You ever heard of the expression? I had a mountaintop experience. Yeah, that's because we know.

Brian "Ponch" Rivera: 1:07:24

Psychologically, well, what about this? What about the oxygen up there is? It was, you know, lack of oxygen at the well, they're they're breathing right, so they're.

Dr. Patrick Porter: 1:07:31

They're, yeah, you're gonna. Lack of oxygen might have something to do with your body will regulate. Yeah, I mean you. We couldn't go into outer space and do that, right?

Dr. Patrick Porter: 1:07:38

no, but, so, but if you're there with enough time. That's why they have hyperbarics and things like that and what happens to the body. But when they're there and the body's resonating at that frequency, they live there. Their body acclimates to it. Now they get used to operating in that brainwave. They're in a whole different world when you go into the city. A city operates between 14 and 21 hertz frequency, so when you're in the city you are in high agitation.

Dr. Patrick Porter: 1:08:04

There are some people that I had a friend that worked on a horse ranch that came to help me in New York City do a show. She only made it a day and a half. She got neurologically sick because she was used to being out in nature, petting her horses and being, you know, and that was around 10 to 14 cycles. You know. When she goes into the city of New York where it's high frenetic energy, some people can just feel it.

Dr. Patrick Porter: 1:08:26

Some people are more sensitive than others because every cell has these receptors and so some people are numb to it, they don't feel anything. And then other people are really sensitive and like what happens with EMF. A lot of people wonder why do some people get bothered by EMF, others don't? We all get bothered by it, but it doesn't affect us on a physiological scale. That EMF tower is pulsing 50 million pulses per second to our cells and our cells are trying to figure out what it's trying to get us to do. And if we're not grounded to the earth to get rid of that extra energy it circulates. The average person is running around with three volts of energy.

Brian "Ponch" Rivera: 1:09:00

What do you mean by grounded, Like just?

Dr. Patrick Porter: 1:09:02

Take your shoes off, go out on the grass.

Brian "Ponch" Rivera: 1:09:04

Yeah.

Dr. Patrick Porter: 1:09:08

That's it. That's really what it is. There's evidence. He's not a doctor.

Dr. Patrick Porter: 1:09:14

Clint Oper wrote a book called Earthing and he actually showed that if you can earth basically the energy that builds up in your system, we should be at zero point. But the average person we scan when we're at our things and Michael might have the voltometer here so you guys can check yourselves but most people are running around with three volts of energy. But if you had a grounding mat, like I said in my office, when I'm working on my computer I just touch that every once in a while it grounds all that extra energy. Because when you're sitting behind a computer you're taking in all that energy and your body doesn't know what to do with it. But if you ground, we've taken people that would pass out.

Dr. Patrick Porter: 1:09:47

If they're walking by a 5G tower, some people will. They're that sensitive, but they're not grounded. As soon as they take their shoes off, it doesn't bother them Because it's the extra voltage. So I tell people it's kind of like being you have too much in your. We don't have circuit breakers in our body so we just pass out or it just causes dysfunction. But if we could just run that energy through, we'd be fine.

Brian "Ponch" Rivera: 1:10:11

Okay, so we're talking about 10 hertz with lights, candles and the lights in the headphones. All right, so, coming back to the brain tap device, you have that and you also have the bar.

Dr. Patrick Porter: 1:10:24

Yeah, the eye lights are low energy because our eyes have more mitochondria per square centimeter than any other area of the body, and what mitochondria's job is is to absorb light energy and transmit light energy. It's a function of metabolism. So what happens is they actually know. As an example, they did a study during COVID and they wanted to know if you looked at COVID as a challenge or if you looked at it as a threat. If you looked at it as a challenge, you actually transmitted 200 times more light from your body than you did if everybody's transmitting light. So when you think of life as a threat, like when you're in a state of stress, you actually turn down the volume or the intensity of your light.

Brian "Ponch" Rivera: 1:11:06

When you're stressed. Yes, okay.

Dr. Patrick Porter: 1:11:08

So the more open you, so when you get into those altered states like alpha and theta gamma, your body, basically you expand the field, you have more light energy. So the more you can, when you get into that balanced state, you have that light energy. So what we're doing with the eye lights, those are flickering between 0.5 and 87 hertz because that's as high as we go in our gamma series. In that light your body will match that frequency of light. That's what the eyes do all the time when you're walking around. So when you close your eyes to meditate without brain tap, we know you shut down over 30% of your brain because your brain shuts down the circuits for sight and when you do that, that's why the monkey mind takes over. We actually have a study we're going to be publishing too that shows the default mode network goes offline when you're listening to brain tap. That's the chatter.

Brian "Ponch" Rivera: 1:12:00

That's your ego getting your ego is going away right, just like psychedelics.

Mark "Slider" Keller: 1:12:03

Push your ego down's gonna do the same thing, so we, we show the same thing with brain tap so you struggle that the first minute or two when I go do a session, I really struggle with focusing on to your voice. Right, that's normal.

Dr. Patrick Porter: 1:12:15

Right, that's not just me okay, good, and then what happens is the brain goes forget. That's like the dual voice, one where people hear the voice of one ear and the other. That's to, that's to get your conscious mind off the scent so this goes back to the flow cycle.

Brian "Ponch" Rivera: 1:12:28

We're struggling at the beginning of your of uh, you know a 13 or 14 minute episode there and then you go to release and then you just kind of right, people have that island time experience okay, yeah, yeah, and they get a.

Dr. Patrick Porter: 1:12:58

Basically, what we're doing is we're restocking the Okay, yeah, cortisol and dopamine and then that runs to about 12 and then tapers off about two o'clock. That's why you have that dip. And then if you do another brain tap, you just had another cortisol trough. Now you have this high tense and focus and be able to work more. That's why they got 23% more work done, because over 75% of all work is done in the morning. Yeah, you know, in the afternoon it tapers off. That's because of that.

Dr. Patrick Porter: 1:13:24

It's not a function of whatever they're thinking. It's not about your thinking, it's about your physiology. Once you get your physiology right, the hardware right, your psychology follows, you know. So it's not the and you can do it the other way. You can brute force it. You know some people do. But the reality is it's not about I don't care how positive you are. You need to be less, less negative. Yeah, because we're our unfortunately we're. Our dna is programmed for negativity, because we're trying to survive. You know, it wasn't too long ago, we were in the food chain, so we have all that memory, you know, in our body and that's what we're.

Dr. Patrick Porter: 1:13:58

You know, a lot of people are so risk reversed they don't have any success. Yeah, you know so you've got to be willing to fail in order to succeed. My trainer when I was first working to be a therapist Bandler. He used to say anything worth doing well is worth doing terrible at first. But most people think they're supposed to be an expert because they see it on television, like golf. I use golf as an example. They watch the golfers on TV and then they go out on Saturday and golf twice a year and they get all pissed off. Well, that guy spent eight hours a day, or 10 hours a day hitting that golf shot and he still hit the rough. Yeah, you know so you can't. You got to look at things in perspective, yeah.

Brian "Ponch" Rivera: 1:14:37

So the lights? Uh, okay, I'm listening to something you know the musical journeys. Uh, those, okay, I'm listening to something. You know the musical journeys. Those are relaxing, by the way. They're really nice. Yeah, and I'm noticing that the lights are kind of flickering or moving, or I don't know the right word to put in there, but they're moving as it's connected to the music. Is that by design?

Dr. Patrick Porter: 1:14:57

Yes, Everything is choreographed. Okay is choreographed. Okay, what's happening in your right ear is happening your left eye and vice versa, and we have what we call biocular lights. So, just like we're doing binaurals, we're doing with light. They're just offset so that you have to. Your brain is always trying to figure out and we have to do a different session every time there's a. They're different, and what we did to add that's why we added the ear lights to. We have to have a different component every time so that the brain can't figure it out.

Brian "Ponch" Rivera: 1:15:25

Because as soon as it figures out it goes, there's pattern matching, okay.

Mark "Slider" Keller: 1:15:30

So there's something Let me bring this up, because before I said, something clicked and you were talking about it takes a while for your brain to sync with it. It's choreographed. You bring the frequency of the beats up or down, whatever it is, to the target, so that there's one program in there. It's Sulfeggio Alpha, one of those ones. I've used that one a lot. It's a 33-minute program. It's a long one and I have noticed the more I use it. There is a point and I don't look at my watch while I'm doing it, but it's the same point every time where, instead of just a little bit of light and the cool music and all that stuff, all of a sudden my body will twitch and all of a sudden that that blue light in front of me will take on geometric patterns. Yeah, what is that threshold in there?

Dr. Patrick Porter: 1:16:17

when something changes, it's very once the energy gets to a, once the energy in your brain gets to a certain, let's say, volume of energy, you're going to pop out. You're not going to be in this reality anymore. You're only here because of the reality match. But as soon as you get that mismatch in the like Robert Monroe's book or Ekincar those kinds of things where they do these out of body or the remote viewing that they did in the military, what they know is as soon as you get into that whole brain state you can come and go as you wish. So as soon as your brain matches, you are non-loco. We think we're in this body.

Dr. Patrick Porter: 1:16:55

But there's been so many surgeries or near-death experiences where people say I was across the room watching them perform the surgery or I saw them working on my body and I remember things, that I remember a person over here and there was one where a guy actually read the piece of paper that was over there and told him about it and they said how did you know that? So there's all this information that's out there that we have no idea what's going on. We don't even I mean, like they say, we don't even know much about the brain right now, let alone consciousness. That's a whole other layer. We're just looking at the biological system. There's this whole physiological energy system that they're now saying we have. We knew I mean ancient texts as we had it, but nobody believed it. Now they're saying we have to work on that as well. That's where energy medicine comes in, like lasers and light therapy and things like that okay, here's one.

Brian "Ponch" Rivera: 1:17:45

If three quarters of what you shared with us today is pseudoscience, if it's not true, uh, meaning, uh, we don't have the evidence to support it, why would? Let me put it this way, I would still use it because it is allowing me to spend time, downtime, to be present, right, and that's something that's very hard to do. I don't think that's true, though I don't think it's three quarters pseudoscience. I mean, the more we read about this.

Dr. Patrick Porter: 1:18:15

The nice thing is now we have it all proven in science and you're going to experience that when we're done.

Brian "Ponch" Rivera: 1:18:20

So we now can measure energy and frequencies in the body.

Dr. Patrick Porter: 1:18:26

So not that we can measure where you go and all those things, because I don't think we have a camera that can take us there.

Brian "Ponch" Rivera: 1:18:32

By the way, I've seen where. No, actually I didn't get to see where he went, but I got to see what he was doing when he went somewhere.

Mark "Slider" Keller: 1:18:38

We had a shared experience. That's for a whole other.

Dr. Patrick Porter: 1:18:43

yeah, They've had a lot of things like that.

Brian "Ponch" Rivera: 1:18:45

People will have these shamanic journeys and they all go to the same place, experiencing the same thing know.

Dr. Patrick Porter: 1:18:53

so, but I think what we're when we're talking about the physiological system yeah and what's going on.

Dr. Patrick Porter: 1:18:58

We know that we can down regulate it, we can increase it, improve it, we can create. They now know that spontaneous healing is a function of energy and release of energy through the system. So when we did our dementia study for instance, the saving your brain study, which they can get it as a book now it's on Amazon we took everybody off the dementia scale in six weeks because as soon as we increased their neuroplasticity 23% they no longer had the symptoms of dementia.

Brian "Ponch" Rivera: 1:19:27

So this is not a standalone thing. I mean you got to change your diet. I mean we got to change what we eat. Clearly, we got to sleep better, got to do some hygiene work with our computers and our digital devices and things like that. I want to go back to what's happening in the headphones, but with the instruments. Sometimes I hear synthesized music and then sometimes I hear like a I don't know what the flute is. Is it from India or Right?

Dr. Patrick Porter: 1:19:54

We have different ones Because, remember, we're trying to always do something a little different to get the brain to do it. So there's different sound effects, sometimes in there too. Like you'll hear like chimes, yeah, you might hear a babbling brook. You might hear a bird, birds, all those kind of things, yeah, breathing, all those kinds of things. It's all basically because we're trying to keep your perceptual filters up.

Dr. Patrick Porter: 1:20:18

As soon as your brain thinks it knows what's going on, we've lost the neuroplasticity game, it then starts to run the default mode network. And what the whole thing is about? How do we get you outside of yourself so that you can let the subconscious do the work? As long as you're present, you're fixed in space and time. As soon as you're on these journeys, whether it be with a psychedelic or brain tap or mindfulness or just having an experience out of nature, your body can then heal and mend. But as soon as you're there, present, you're not needed. Your conscious mind is just a passenger. As soon as we get people to understand that, and then our conscious mind is telling where you want to go. I mean, it makes certain decisions, but as far as healing the body, the conscious mind has very little to do with that. In fact it's in the way most of the time. So we need to, and with memories you don't have the capacity to manage those memories, but your subconscious does. You know so it can. It knows the good memories and the bad memories. It knows how to sort, organize and prioritize them. It's unfortunate we're not trained how to do that. We're younger, but in brain tap we teach you how to do that.

Dr. Patrick Porter: 1:21:27

You store negative memories in black and white as lessons learned and you stick them behind you because that's what people say oh, that, that process, that that relationship. It's behind me now you know. And how they don't remember it? Because it's color coordinated in black and white. The good memories should be in color and you relive them. Then your physiology will actually have that same releases. If you're in those memories, you know like, whatever your most pleasant memories are. That's why we always have you like reviewing your favorite memories and things like that.

Dr. Patrick Porter: 1:21:54

We want to refresh those because so many people they get so many negative things happen to them. They forget all the good times. Yeah, you know there there's actually more good times and there are bad times, hopefully you know there. But there are some really bad times and if we let those get in the way, we can't experience any of the good times. Yeah, so we just we need to train the brain. And once we train the brain to do that, it'll do it automatically, because once it finds a system that works, it will forget the old system, just like when we learned to walk. I mean, nobody struggles to walk Every kid that ever walked. Usually, once they learn to walk across the room, they don't fall down anymore until they start to run. So we just have the same thing's true with everything we do.

Dr. Patrick Porter: 1:22:36

But if we want to hold on to that, I always tell people you got to let go of the potato. Because the old story is how do you catch monkeys in the wild? You get a container that's just big enough for a monkey to put their hand through and hold on to a potato. It won't let go of the potato. You can sneak up behind it, bump it with a hammer and it finds itself in the chicago zoo because it won't let go of the potato. Most people just won't let go of that potato. If they could just let go of that potato, you know, then they will, they'll be free and liberated.

Dr. Patrick Porter: 1:22:55

But it's it's. It's harder than me just saying it. You know it's. If it was that easy, people would just let go of the potato. But the problem is that at the moment it was encoded, in the moment that, like somebody had a traumatic experience, the moment that was encoded you gave it chemical significance, if you will, in the body imprinted. It was imprinted and now you have to go to the level where it was created to dissolve it. You can't do that on the conscious level. It's like trying to change the computer. If I have a program that's not working and I just swear at it, I think it's going to happen. No, you got to go into the code.

Brian "Ponch" Rivera: 1:23:30

You got to change the system, To change the behavior. You change the system. That's a big thing. I want to talk about primary users for BrainTap. I'm sure you have several. You've got guys like us recovering from the military. I don't know if that's a good phrase. We're recovering fighter aviators, things like that. I'm sure you have athletes. Walk us through how this is enhancing performance.

Dr. Patrick Porter: 1:23:55

Well, our partner in sports. Their group is called TBRX. It's Tom Brady's group, the recovery group. They take us into sports and we do some programs with them because he believes that every minute of exertion you need two minutes of recovery. Yeah, recovery is huge, you have to add that. So most people don't ever do the recovery. They do all the training. They lift the weights, they run.

Brian "Ponch" Rivera: 1:24:15

What does recovery mean, though? I'm curious what's happening in the brain in recovery, that's when you get the neuroplasticity.

Dr. Patrick Porter: 1:24:21

That's when it's learning. Yeah, so when you're working out, you're going to create that BDNF and everything you need. Okay.

Brian "Ponch" Rivera: 1:24:26

So I want to make a connection here. One of the important and what we coach is you need that feedback from the environment and that's where you do the learning, or some processing. In our world, our former world we planned, brief, execute, debrief. Debrief is all about learning right. It's where the learning happens. So the same thing is true here is that recovery is… that's a great way to say it. Okay, the body, the brain, the mind, the body, everything is recovering from the experience, which is learning, right, yeah?

Dr. Patrick Porter: 1:24:54

The brain, the mind, the body, everything is recovering from the experience, which is learning. Okay, we did a study actually just a study to prove that people need to use BrainTap. At Kansas City Sport it's a professional soccer team and nobody was using it. Because these are professionals, they don't need that machine.

Brian "Ponch" Rivera: 1:25:06

It's below them.

Dr. Patrick Porter: 1:25:06

Their egos are bigger than us, so what I did was I said and you're going to see the NeuroCheck, which is a device that I helped to bring to America and use and do the graphics. And I said go ahead and do your workout. We're going to scan you before your workout. We're going to scan you after your workout. You're going to come back in four hours. We're going to scan you In four hours.

Dr. Patrick Porter: 1:25:25

A professional athlete should be back to their baseline, which is what they were before the training, before they started the next day. I had them say I said okay, now you're going to do, we're going to scan you before your workout. We're going to scan you after your workout. We're going to scan you after you do a brain tap. They were better after brain tap than they were when they arrived. Okay, 20 minutes later after the workout, they put in a 20 station brain tapping room that now, before they leave the facility, they have to do, and they do it with the lymphatic drainage boots because you want to. The faster you can recover, the better your long-term results are. So like when you, for instance, the reason you debrief is if they know and they might not have known it consciously, but now they know with learning, the sooner you review what you just were exposed to.

Brian "Ponch" Rivera: 1:26:10

You run those neural pathways as close to the activity as possible. Yes, right, yeah.

Dr. Patrick Porter: 1:26:14

Their memory goes up like 97% if you do it within three to five minutes.

Brian "Ponch" Rivera: 1:26:17

Let me throw this at you. So we've been taking this round. In order for us to improve future performance, we have to understand what happened, and that recovery piece is critical too, so that recovery debrief after action review has to happen as close to the activity as possible. That way you learn, you take those lessons, because that's a what happened and now you get to understand what's happening. Now you can see more and you can anticipate.

Dr. Patrick Porter: 1:26:38

Yes, that's exactly right, okay. The further away you are from that, you don't remember it, right? Because it's not about time, it's about sequence. What happened between then? All those memories are there, yeah, and they're piling up. So if we do it right afterwards, you have nothing between what you just experienced and the downtime where your brain gets to. And it's when you're in that downtime that your hippocampus starts to sort of organize. And when I ask you to remember something like remember your favorite vacation, you didn't just go to a file cabinet and pull out the paperwork. You lit up about eight places in your brain and then you recreated it. And that's where the slippage comes in, right? So you know. That's why you know it's not a video replaying in your brain.

Brian "Ponch" Rivera: 1:27:20

It's actually us pulling from different parts of the brain and reconstructing what happened. Okay, yeah.

Dr. Patrick Porter: 1:27:25

So when we do the debrief after a session, like we tell our doctors, do the work, because a lot of people and I'll just use chiropractic as an example or physical therapists, like in Tom Brady's world when they're doing their physical activity with the person, they are doing brain work. We have proven that when you adjust the spine, you're adjusting the brain, you're not, because what moves the muscles, the brain, what moves the tendons, the brain, what moves the bones, the, the brain, those things don't do anything. It's the brain that does it all. So everything you do has a cortical response or an inner change in the brain. So once you've made bunch of done the therapy, you do light therapy, you do a heat or cold therapy, whatever it is. It's all signals from that area of the body to the brain. Now you've got stress in the brain, you do the brain tap session afterwards. Now whatever you just did is multiplied because now those new neural pathways are being wired and fired together. So now when they get up, they have those changes happening.

Mark "Slider" Keller: 1:28:27

Are there particular brain tap sessions that are optimized for recovery or different types of recovery have different types of sessions?

Dr. Patrick Porter: 1:28:35

we do have like we have a chiropractic series. We have some that are specific to the work they're doing, like red light therapy and things like that, but in most cases it's more about doing a theta session. After that they could do the sound therapy with the music or, if they, the gamma sessions people are using now more for focus in this higher flow state, because we found that athletes have more gamma activity, that's, higher order athletes, like Olympic athletes. I'm sure that as fighter pilots you had high order gamma because you couldn't even operate that thing without it and you couldn't fly because you're outside of time.

Dr. Patrick Porter: 1:29:09

When you're doing it, you think you're in time, but you're not. You're in another dimension really. You know, when you're doing it you think you're in time, but you're not. You're. You're in another dimension really, and that's why the body feels so much stress because you're. The stress is your body's in physical world and your mind's in this other dimension, because you're processing information at a speed that this body can't keep. It's kind of like saying you have a router that you you could get the internet at 4g, but you only have a 2G router, but you're flying at 4G.

Mark "Slider" Keller: 1:29:36

So I don't know if you saw that the Air Force just fought two F-16s, one with a human pilot and one with an AI-trained pilot. If what you're saying is true, there's no way that AI pilot is ever going to get to the level that a human pilot can get to, right.

Dr. Patrick Porter: 1:29:50

Yeah, yeah, Unless they program it outside of time. You know they program it to make assumptions that are not in physical space and time. They can't they can't do that.

Brian "Ponch" Rivera: 1:29:59

That's right. We're limited by that's right, there you go. That's why we're. That's why we're. You know, being human is so key right now To me. You've got two paths the it's being more human and the socially awkward path that follows technology. Right, the heavy, heavy technology, the social engineering type things right, not this. What I see with BrainTap is you're using technology to do things you couldn't do 20 years ago or 30 years ago. Right, right, yeah, so we have recovery with athletes. It sounds to me like physical therapy with BrainTap.

Dr. Patrick Porter: 1:30:36

Maybe post pregame and post-game or anybody use it. We have pre-game sessions, post-game sessions uh planning sessions.

Brian "Ponch" Rivera: 1:30:39

What about kids? Can they use?

Dr. Patrick Porter: 1:30:41

this. Yeah, we have over uh 70 sessions for kids. Yeah, what I did was I took and we have some other people doing it now too we took metaphors or stories and we made them therapeutic, but we, we train the kids mostly at alpha, because a example of kids that are suffering from autism which is one out of every 43 now, which is kind of scary they don't have alpha. Their alpha is either compromised or very little, and as soon as we increase their alpha, like nonverbal kids, up to again 23 to 25% of their brain in alpha, which is what you should be about 30% Once it gets to be there, they start speaking. 90% in a study we did, started speaking with no voice coaching. They already knew how to speak.

Brian "Ponch" Rivera: 1:31:22

Yeah, it's in there. It's in there, it's in A.

Dr. Patrick Porter: 1:31:26

So there's all these different things that we do. I mean, they showed that there's something biological that's programmed into us, or whatever it showed that. You know there's something biological that's programmed into us, you know that, or whatever it's in the field. Whoever we are, this um and we just have to activate it. So, um, kids yes, kids have stress as well. We have. We have like, we have sessions. We have over 2000 sessions, so usually if there's a problem out there, we probably got a solution for it. I've been doing this for 40 years almost and our doctors keep coming up with different ones, because I just created a series for a Dr Papa who's a big guy in detoxing. So he does the work with people but he wants to detox their liver and things before they do the physical work. So we have a whole series where we talk about detoxing the brain of negative thoughts while you're detoxing the body of the physical problem.

Brian "Ponch" Rivera: 1:32:13

Here's something what are the blockers of brain? Tap and I'm thinking like alcohol right, this isn't something you want to do with a hangover or go out.

Dr. Patrick Porter: 1:32:20

Hey, let's go drinking and do this you can do it for a hangover after you're done drinking, but once you have two drinks. I still remember a doctor when we first came out with a neurocheck where we can measure the brain's energy, and he said that's just a number generator. We were in Vegas and I said what are you going to do now? He goes, I'm going to go have a couple of drinks. I said, well, we'll still be here. Go have a couple of drinks and come back. He went from having a very good brain to having a black brain within a half hour of two drinks, because the sugar in the brain just shut down the brain's function. And so what I always tell people is once you have two drinks, there's a reason they call it spirits, you know you're being possessed by something you know when in in course, some people use it as an excuse.

Dr. Patrick Porter: 1:33:01

You know they can do stupid things because they've been drinking and that's their excuse. They know that. You know what are you pretending not to know? That's going to happen, but I I think the the main thing is that we have done it a lot with all of the different psychedelics and they've always had great experiences. We're doing a lot with ketamine now. Some doctors are using it while they're doing ketamine, but most doctors use it after the ketamine experience, after the hour long, you know, IV drip or if they're doing a nasal spray or elagians or something like that. They'll do it because the brain you're not not really there when you're doing it. I mean, wherever you're at when you're doing ketamine, you're gone too. But we have shown that if you do it at the same time, you're getting more energy into the brain, so you get a better, you have more of a like. Ketamine becomes almost like a psilocybin or a DMT experience when you use it at the same time, because it's all a function of energy, getting energy into the brain.

Brian "Ponch" Rivera: 1:33:55

Yeah, oh, that's fantastic. Hey, I know you got to step for a phone call here in a little bit. We really appreciate this. There's so much more we can dive into.

Mark "Slider" Keller: 1:34:04

You had some questions about the frequencies, or I had a lot of questions about the carrier frequencies that you use with the beats and stuff like that, the carrier frequencies that you use with the beats and stuff like that. You know you talked about seven frequencies of the body. Can you rattle off some numbers Like what are those frequencies?

Dr. Patrick Porter: 1:34:21

Well, I don't know them all off the top of my head, but if you look up Nozier frequencies, dr Nozier, like they go from 187 up to, I think, 2,873 or something.

Mark "Slider" Keller: 1:34:32

Okay, this is the range of what I've seen. So you know these brainwave frequencies, these are all lower.

Dr. Patrick Porter: 1:34:37

Yes, we call them earth frequencies because we're designed to be on the earth, so our brain, you know, when we have, when there's a storm coming, there's a change in the frequency. We know, right, so do we also, right, yeah, so do we also right.

Mark "Slider" Keller: 1:34:52

Yeah, so when we look at these things, so say solfeggio, is that what you're saying? These solfeggio ones, they have different carrier frequencies that they deliver at right. So an alpha is you know what is it? 11 hertz or something like that. Right, so you can take a 1,000 hertz carrier and 1,011 hertz in the other ear and you get the 11. Right, but you can pick any other frequencies as long as they're 11 cycles apart, right? So does it matter what carrier frequencies you're using?

Dr. Patrick Porter: 1:35:20

because I see alpha like sulfeggio alphas, but with different carrier we only use the ones that have been proven in science and there's a doctor out of russia that we actually, in the early days when I was with Light and Sound Research, we used their research because sound has been researched for over 100 years. It's not like light. Light's only been around since the 80s. Sound they pretty much know the frequencies that work and it has to do almost with when you figure out the shamanistic drums and things that they do.

Mark "Slider" Keller: 1:35:53

I was just thinking that. And the gongs and the bells.

Dr. Patrick Porter: 1:35:55

And they figure out like they used to take with the dual voice thing that I have. They used to take two different bowls put on each ear if you weren't feeling well, and they would spin them up and they would just be off enough that then the person would become balanced. So they were doing binaurals before they were binaural.

Mark "Slider" Keller: 1:36:14

So if the beat frequency is an alpha wave frequency that induces an alpha state in the brain, Is that correct? So?

Dr. Patrick Porter: 1:36:18

that's. There's a. We have the waves in the background as well as the pulsing. Now you don't hear it in a lot of ours until this volume goes down. Or if you hear a little silent place in the music or something, you'll hear a boop boop, boop, boop.

Dr. Patrick Porter: 1:36:35

But we know that anywhere between our let's say our range of hearing and 20 decibels below, your brain actually responds to it Even though you don't hear it. You're responding to it Like a dog whistle or something, but dog whistles are even lower than that. But your brain? We could actually have you listen to something. It sounds like there's nothing there, but when we have you hooked up to the QEEG, which is measuring brain frequencies, going, what's going on here? You're hearing something because there's an activity going on, but there's nothing happening.

Dr. Patrick Porter: 1:37:03

But it's actually modulating with the frequency we're sending in. So that's why we can do it with brain tap and we match that frequency with the light frequency so they match, so that now they're it's an immersion technique instead of just being sound alone or just being a light alone. You're getting those together, synchronized and then when we add in the words the reason words are important is that words, they now know, will change up to 3200 gene expressions. So if that, when henry ford said, if you think you can or you think you can, you're right. What we now know is, if you think you can, you upregulate all of your biological systems. If you think you can't, you down regulate are you?

Brian "Ponch" Rivera: 1:37:41

are you talking about epigenetics?

Dr. Patrick Porter: 1:37:43

yes, okay, yeah, and they now know that you know the 80, the whatever, the 90, whatever percent they said was junk. Dna 99 they now know that's what's changing every 40 seconds, yeah. Interesting they couldn't measure it.

Brian "Ponch" Rivera: 1:37:57

We have a theory about that. Data can be stored in our DNA that we don't know about right now.

Dr. Patrick Porter: 1:38:04

For sure it's being unpacked. I mean, that's what's being activated. When you do those journeys Right, you know it's waiting to be unlocked.

Brian "Ponch" Rivera: 1:38:13

But I believe there are scientists that are looking into how do we actually take data that we're storing here to put it on biological DNA.

Dr. Patrick Porter: 1:38:20

Oh, sure yeah, if they can figure out how to store it in the field, like in light it'd be infinite.

Brian "Ponch" Rivera: 1:38:24

Infinite right, that's what we want. Yeah, this is amazing.

Dr. Patrick Porter: 1:38:28

That's why we store ours in light. However, we're doing it. You know, nobody knows on a conscious level, but it's being done. You know, when you think about um, every memory they. When the hopi indians said that when you make a change in the tribe, you've changed seven generations, yep, forwards and backwards. And then our scientists come out and say epigenetics, when you change yourself seven generations forwards and backwards, how did the hopis know that? Yeah, it's like there's, that was spooky stuff out there.

Dr. Patrick Porter: 1:38:56

It's like trust the science no so there's what we do know is that, uh, I mean, like clive bust uh, that's the author, what's his name, the guy that did the studies where they took a they took a tree branch into the laboratory. They kept the tree in the forest hooked up to like a lie detector which can measure stress response. They tortured the branch in the lab and the tree felt it. The tree registered it every time. So if trees can do that, imagine when you're thinking about your kids or your friends, people you're quantum entangled with. That's why, when you have your tribe and you will do anything for them, there's an entanglement there that you feel their pain, you feel their joys and you know when you're rooting for a team, like you said, you know there's something to that. When a team loses, you say we lost, but you weren't on the field.

Mark "Slider" Keller: 1:39:50

I just heard a scientific explanation for why prayer works. Same thing, right. Well, there's the Maharishi effect.

Dr. Patrick Porter: 1:39:57

That's why, when somebody says, what are you doing this for? I said I want to better a billion brains because I know bettering a billion brains will change the planet. Now he says the square root of one, which we only need like 8,000 people meditating. But there's already more than 8,000 people meditating and the world hasn't really changed. But at the, what he proved was they meditated in dc and they brought down the crime rate while they were doing it, and then, when they stopped, it went right back up and he did it 41 times and they they don't want that, though, for whatever reason, they didn't want in the prisons they could have kept praying for this prison that they brought down the crime rate and they proved it.

Brian "Ponch" Rivera: 1:40:32

Yeah, it's like I don't get it well, yeah, I mean, why we're, why do we? Why do we have the war on drugs? Um, I mean, we can go back and think about, right through that, who gains from not having access psychedelics.

Brian "Ponch" Rivera: 1:40:47

Who gains from um suppressing something like brain tap right and and that there are people out there in organizations not necessarily that they have any any type of intent to destroy brain, tap or do that, but they have an ego that they want to grow right or they want to be in a position of power or they want to make money. So the whole system is driving the behaviors right.

Dr. Patrick Porter: 1:41:08

Right, if you have to be willing to forget everything you know when you discover something that's better, and if you're not willing to do that, you're always going to be stuck.

Brian "Ponch" Rivera: 1:41:20

There's two things you can do in the world that we understand, and this goes back to the free energy principle, active inference and John Boyd's OODA loop. You can update your orientation to what's going on in the external world, or you can act in a way to suppress that information that's coming in so nobody else can change and you don't have to update it. And I think it takes more energy to update your orientation than it does to actually try to dismiss information. So that's why we see people suppressing it.

Dr. Patrick Porter: 1:41:44

Yeah, but that's why there's all the illness, because we're meant to flow. That's why the ancient Rishi said when you get up every morning, it's like stepping into a river, and people don't get that. The's why the ancient Rishi said when you get up every morning, it's like stepping into a river, and people don't get that. The river looks the same, but it's different water. You look the same, but you're different selves. You're a different person, but people try to say it's different, you are different, you're not the same. You're not the past, you're not the future. You're the present Right and you're not the future. You're the present right. And so when, when people start to remember that, it's going to be totally different.

Dr. Patrick Porter: 1:42:17

But if you think like that, we're biological beings. That's what the pharmaceutical company believes that all you got to do is put this pill in and you're going to magically change your behaviors. Yeah, no, it's going to alter your perception. Yeah, and, like you said, it'll block. You know, if somebody's depressed and they take a pill, they're not doing anything for their oppression, yeah, so there's another saying.

Brian "Ponch" Rivera: 1:42:40

There's another saying uh, you know, you can be something or you can do something and we're talking about you know being, you can be part of the system or you can do something to change it. That that's, that's key, right? And there's something else to be said, and that is you know, we want to change as human beings, right, we want to progress and move towards the future. So, you know, john Boyd is famous for a lot of these things. Humans fight wars. Excuse me, machines don't fight wars. Ideas don't fight wars. People do, and they use their minds. So, uh, for what we're learning from you and others is is how do we improve what we call our mind, which could include our brain and you know everything in our belly and maybe something in our, in the sphere around us.

Brian "Ponch" Rivera: 1:43:24

Uh, you have any last thoughts for us before we stop recording and get you out of this?

Dr. Patrick Porter: 1:43:28

room. Well, I just always remind people that you're greater than you've been led to believe. You're far more capable than others have told you about you. Just be open to infinite possibility. You know, don't believe what other people have told you about yourself. You know there's a better you. You just got to open up and experience it.

Brian "Ponch" Rivera: 1:43:46

This is some serious red pill thinking here, isn't it? Yeah, it is. Or you can take the blue pill.

Dr. Patrick Porter: 1:43:51

Right, you can. I mean, yeah, I mean people will fight for their limitations. That's what wars are fought over typically. You know, some limitation that somebody has, that there's some kind of only this land mass, you know, or whatever or this resource.

Mark "Slider" Keller: 1:44:05

This is why we have to dose the whole world.

Brian "Ponch" Rivera: 1:44:11

Right, I didn't say that.

Mark "Slider" Keller: 1:44:13

In accordance with local laws. Yeah right Under the right supervision.

Dr. Patrick Porter: 1:44:18

Yeah, they say you know I love when. What did Steve Jobs say? The problem with Gates is he's never done acid you know.

Brian "Ponch" Rivera: 1:44:29

So what he meant was he could have done psilocybin or anything. He's doing something, but it's not sure it's working Carburetor claim.

Dr. Patrick Porter: 1:44:33

Appreciate it.

Brian "Ponch" Rivera: 1:44:34

Really do.

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